Signs of Hope From the Muslim World

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  1. mycroft says:

    Most readers  of CC are aware of the 1929 massacre in Hebron, I often wonder how many know that more were saved because of local Arabs who saved Jews at great risk to themselves.

    • Y. Ben-David says:

      I am not sure what the significance of that is in the macro scale. Some Germans saved Jews as well, but even the Germans (or at least, “official” Germany) themselves today admit that are guilty AS A NATION for what they did.  There is an attempt by the Arabs and the “progressive” anti-Israel Jews to claim that it was only a group of “outsiders” who carried out the massacre, but if that is so, and if all the Muslim and pro-Muslim apologists are correct when they say “they love Jews and respect Judaism, but only have a problem with Zionists”, then they should have insisted that the surviving Jews (who were not active in the Zionist movement) not be expelled from the city, as indeed happened. There was an attempt to have Jews return to Hevron in 1931, but there was always a lot of tension, and these Jews were forced to leave the city during the 1936 Arab uprising.

  2. mb says:

    There’s a time line here.

    Judaism took about 1500 years to finally rid itself of fundamentalist militarism.

    Christianity, ditto, following the disastrous 100 years war.

    So now Islam, if it follows the precedent, should be on a par around the beginning of the 21 st or 22 nd century.

    I’ll be 153 (or 253) then. Looking forward to it.

    • dr. bill says:

      i think you mean 22nd and 23rd.  IAC, given the exponential explosion in information dissemination, there is at least the possibility that you or even i may live to see it.

    • Bob Miller says:

      So, mb, which if any military operations ordered by HaShem as documented in Tanach do you object to?

  3. Wolfgang Schremser says:

    It sounds like the Indonesian authors identify Wahabism as the sole source of terrorism. Is not ISIS more wedded to Salafism which is quite different from Wahabism in that it goes closer to the Medina Muslim root of Islam?

    Maybe they should try to reestablish early Mecca Islam, which was comparatively peaceful???

  4. DF says:

    You say the truth is rarely at the extremes. No doubt.  The problem with this platitude, however, is that it leaves one in paralysis. Would we be writing the Bible, we would never be able to think of the Tree of Knowledge as “bad” – something to stay away from – because, after all, we would reason, knowledge can also be good. We would certainly not speak of figures like Jacob and Esau in black and white shades, as the sages did. We would call them – complicated.The point is this: It does no good to stress the good in otherwise harmful people, movements, or religions. Everybody knows such good points exist; but they are overshadowed and outweighed by the bad. [As one recent Jewish commentator wrote, the Bikur Cholim provided by Satmar no more mitigates the massive Chillul Hashem that group just organized, than the social services provided by Hamas excuses its support of terrorism.] Islam has a violence problem in its religion. I don’t know if its possible to fix that. But unless and until it does, it remains a problem. The President is 100% right to focus on it, and all those who keep piping up “but its not all of them” – as if we didn’t realize that – are furthering the problem.   

  5. Bob Miller says:

    How do rank-and-file Muslim citizens of Indonesia, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia typically view Jews and Israel?   Has there been any change over recent years or months?

    • mycroft says:

      One has to be careful not to extrapolate anti-semitic attitudes ofthe population from a countries policies

      thus   from http://www.jta.org/2014/05/13/news-opinion/world/survey-more-than-a-quarter-of-the-world-hates-jews “The most anti-Semitic region in the world is the Middle East and North Africa, with 74 percent harboring anti-Semitic views. Eastern Europe was second at 34 percent. The least anti-Semitic region was Oceania (Australia and New Zealand) at 14 percent.
      • The three countries outside the Middle East with the highest rates of anti-Semitic attitudes were Greece, at 69 percent, Malaysia at 61 percent and Armenia at 58 percent.
      • About 49 percent of Muslims worldwide harbor anti-Semitic views, compared to 24 percent of Christians.
      • The West Bank and Gaza were the most anti-Semitic places surveyed, with 93 percent of respondents expressing anti-Semitic views. The Arab country with the lowest level of anti-Semitic views was Morocco, at 80 percent. Iran ranked as the least anti-Semitic country in the Middle East, at 56 percent.”

      Iran the  least anti-semitic  country in the Middle East -less than Greece.                                           least

    • Y. Ben-David says:

      George Orwell visited Morocco in 1939 and wrote a article about it called “Marrakesh” (it is available on line). He wrote at length about the situation of the Jews there and he described the unbelievable poverty, degredation and filth many Jews were sunk in. Yet, he points out how much virulent antisemitism there was there.  Muslims would tell him that Jews run the country and they are all rich. When Orwell told them of how bad the situation of the Jews was and that they were worse off than the poorest of the Muslims they would say “they are hiding their money”. Orwell said Nazi antisemitic propaganda would find a fertile soil for their work in the country.

      Today, we hear many Jews tell about how supposedly good the Jews had it in that country and how the Muslims were good neighbors. A common refrain was how the Muslims would sell pitas (hametz) to the Jews right after Pesach ended, as if this was some sort of generous act on their part, instead just a way to make a quick buck.

      If this is what a “good country” was like This is nothing more than a modern version of Datan and Aviram’s longing for the good old days in Egypt (this week’s Torah portion of Korach!).

  6. Raymond says:

    It is not my intention to show even the slightest trace of disrespect toward the author of the above article, and yet I cannot help but think that he may be placing hope above reality.  All of us Jews, even the most strident among us (such as myself, as it so happens) longs for peace for our Jewish people more than just about anything in the world.  We Jews are not violent by nature; we would rather spend our time in intellectual pursuits, or spending time with our families and friends.  It is a mistake, though, to think that all other social groups on Earth have similar peaceful aspirations.  All one has to do to doubt any claims that the islamoNazis want peace, is to look at their thoroughly bloodthirsty history that has hardly taken a break since its inception approximately 1,400 years ago.  I do not trust our violently savage enemies for even one moment, not as long as they keep proudly insisting on murdering completely innocent, unarmed human beings all over the world.  If my skepticism sounds a bit paranoid, I am reminded of something that the late, great Rabbi Kahane was fond of saying, namely that “Paranoid Jews live longer.”

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