An Equal and Opposite Reaction

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8 Responses

  1. dr.bill says:

    You write: “If the Modern Orthodox world were less embracing of lowered standards, there would be a lesser need, in a Newtonian way, for what is perceived to be over the top seclusion or exclusion of women among chareidim.” Even if your characterization of the MO world was correct, post hoc ergo propter hoc?

  2. Bob Miller says:

    I think another factor may be in play, namely distrust of the rank-and-file of both sexes by some leaders. The latter can praise the Jews very eloquently, but can sometimes act as if we are not adults capable of self-control. No doubt our self-control really is taxed more than in some past societies, but we are not children and our point of view matters. Our input can be valuable in determining the best response to the anarchy around us..

  3. Lacosta says:

    I agree with dr bill. I cannot imagine haredi power structure is machshiv MO behavior to the extent that they then create chumras for their own people. Why punish haredim for others behavior who neither listen to them nor respect added stringencies?

  4. SA says:

    As has been pointed out by myself and others, it isn’t clear why it is so hard to define a “red line.” Why should images of young girls, elderly women, and head shots of any women be considered any more alluring in print than they are in real life?

    Your reference to advertising did not address the very, very important point Rabbi Adlerstein made about other types of advertising. Where is the Newtonian “pushback” against luxury items, punishingly expensive simchas, and exotic vacations?

    • Julie Kahan says:

      While it would be nice if there were that sort of pushback against luxury, there’s nothing in particular for it to be pushing back against, since there hasn’t been a revolution in the world’s approach to luxury, the way there has been in the world’s approach to עריות.

      • SA says:

        Forgive me, but this rather ridiculous. The world’s average standard of living far exceeds what most people would have considered luxury even 50 years ago. And there has certainly been a revolution in **our** world’s approach to luxury that needs a serious tikkun. Our children are far more likely to be affected by the perils of luxury before they even reach an awareness of the perils of עריות.

  5. Moshe Dick says:

    Well, I don’t want to be condescending, but Rabbi Gold obfuscates the issue so as to justify whatever extreme position one takes on this matter. He seems to accept the fact that the world is so corrupt, so evil that anything and everything around us conspires to seduce Jewish men into a life of depravity. Sorry, but I don’t buy it. Previous civilizations had their own demons and yet Jewish society survived without accepting the extreme views that are espoused today. Is life more difficult today? Certainly but then the Almighty does not test us unless we can pass that test. Does one truly believe that by having separate sidewalks one reduces the temptations or is it that temptations remain but take an unnatural course. I wonder if it is a coincidence that we have so many sexual scandals nowadays, and many by the acts of so-called respectable rabbinical figures? Or maybe is this insistence that temptations is everywhere, even in supermarket lines,that is at the root of these perversions?s Remember what happened to Chava Imenu when she added additional prohibitions on the “Eytz Ha’daas”. Adding chumros ultimately leads to the flouting of the basic laws.

  6. Menachem Lipkin says:

    The “Newtonian” analogy is apt and is exactly what is wrong with this picture. The behavior we’re witnessing is that of inanimate balls on strings and not that of intelligent, thoughtful human beings.

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