“To Heal the World?” The Tikkun Olam Distortion

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102 Responses

  1. mycroft says:

    Read Tikkun Olam : Social Responsibility in Jewish Thought and Law(The Orthodox Forum Series) edited by David Shatz, Chaim Waxman and Nathan Diament for different Orthodox perspectives on Tikkun Olam

  2. Bob Miller says:

    As illusions about people and society have spread, feeling good and preening in public have become the popular PC substitutes for doing good. There is always some beguiling, specious excuse for a spectacular policy failure. Every failure leads to calls for more extreme variations on the same theme.

    There are even those who have no illusions about the likely outcome, but want to destabilize society, join the enemy, etc. What to us is a bug is to them a feature.

  3. Steve Brizel says:

    RGordimer demonstrated very convincingly that the infatuation with the progressive agenda as defined by its adhetents as Tikun olam and its antecedents was a result of the search for an ersatz set of values in place of and instead of Torah Avodah and Gmilus Chasadim. There is a sad joke that one such contemporary adherent asked how to translate Tikun Olam into Hebrew.

  4. Chaim Eliezer says:

    Heterodox Judaism is down to one issur kares: “There shall not enter unto your congregation a Republican.”

  5. Steve Brizel says:

    The Orthodox Forum book mentioned by Mycroft discusses Noachide laws and offers views on some political and social issues. that were pressing at the time of its publication in the early 1990s. it by no means examines the social issues facing the Torah observant community today.

  6. Steve Brizel says:

    When you separate Tikun Olam from being part of Malchus HAShem the result is the progressive agenda and its ideological antecedents.

  7. Steve Brizel says:

    There is a wonderful memoir of how a Jew remained a Shomer Torah UMitzvos in the former USSR during the pre Glasost years. The author noted that many Communist apparatchiks were Jewish. It is no secret that Communism and Socialism because of their appeals to social justice and political reform in theory appealed to many Jews. Yet, as Irving Kristol observed “Socialism is as Socialism does”, and Communism and Socialism in practice as a governing theory perniciously oppressed human rights and led to notoriously unproductive economies with privileges accorded only to those at the top of the ruling class. No country has ever succeeded in maintaining totalitarian political control such as Communism while simultaneously being welcoming of open trade with the West.

  8. mycroft says:

    “Chaim Eliezer
    June 26, 2018 at 7:52 am

    Heterodox Judaism is down to one issur kares: “There shall not enter unto your congregation a Republican.””
    Chaim Eliezer
    June 26, 2018 at 7:52 am

    Much of Orthodox Judaism revolves around their ikkar: “There shall not enter unto your congregation one who believes in social justice and helping the downtrodden.”

  9. mycroft says:

    “When you separate Tikun Olam from being part of Malchus HAShem the result is the progressive agenda”
    Who says Malcus Hashem won’t have a progressive agenda? I see no place where malchus Hashem is synonymous with treating 1% of population deserving more than the other 99% altogether

  10. Steve Brizel says:

    I doubt that RYBS or RAL ZL would have endorsed any of todays so called progressive agenda or any of its historical ideological or siciological antecedents.

  11. Steve Brizel says:

    I doubt that RYBS or RAL ZL would have endorsed any of todays so called progressive agenda or any of its historical ideological or siciological antecedents. Todays progesdive agenda has a strong ideological antipathy to any objections to feminism and tbe LGBT agenda that can be legitimately and strongly based on religious values .Malchus HaShem embraces both Shemittah Vyovel Nidah and Pru vRivu as well as recognizing the need to compensate the injured and the protection of property rights and ownership. It embraces tzedaka and chesed but by no means entitlements or a free lunch or a blank check with no restrictions or limitations. It is wrong to claim that reproductive freedom is a core Jewish value

  12. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft talk to anyone who survived the Holicaust or the Gulag. They can explain why the progesssive avenda is nothing more than a reworking of Communism.in theory.we all are born with the potential to seek our potential. That does not mean that those who succeed are privileged.rather it means they maximized their potential
    WADR why are so antipathetic to calitalusm.and democracy and so willing to apologize and offer a defense of socialism .in practice?

  13. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft ever hear or participate in Tomchei Shabbos or any of the many groups that help the downtrodden in the Orthodox community? Compare the work accomplished by Achiezer after Sandy with little pr np government assistance with the results in NewOrleans or Puerto Rico where decades of entitlements just like socialism uproot any idea that people can revuild on their own.

  14. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft–take a look at Musaf for RH and especially Malchiyos -Lsaken Olam BMalchus Shakai, as explicated and explained by RYBS in many of the shiurim available in primt in the Noraos HaRav series,.means that we hope that the nations of the world will accept Malchus HaShem. It does not refer to any political agenda because at best man is a Melech Evyon.

  15. anti SJW says:

    “one who believes in social justice and helping the downtrodden”
    the whole point of the social justice movement is to not help the downtrodden. the torah commands that the individual be involved in helping the unfortunate, and not pass it off to the group (society). the social justice movement was created to so that the individual would no longer feel responsible for the less fortunate as it has become the responsibility of some anonymous bureaucrat.
    orthodox judaism is chock full of people who help the downtrodden (often without concern for whether or not they are the politically correct group to help) but very few who believe in passing off that responsibility by supporting social justice.

  16. Lawrence M. Reisman says:

    “Mycroft talk to anyone who survived the Holocaust or the Gulag. They can explain why the progressive agenda is nothing more than a reworking of Communism” Do you think George Soros would feel that way? How about Congressman Tom Lantos? How about Elie Wiesel? How about Warsaw ghetto uprising leader Marek Edelman? There are quite a few holocaust survivors who are progressives.

  17. Steve Brizel says:

    See the annexed column https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/264582/paying-the-price-for-abandoning-jewish-peand especially the linked letter by a prominent R clergyman who together witha a RY at BM wrote a fascinating book based on their emails re their views of Judaism. This is what happens when you separate Tikun Olam from Malchus HaShem

  18. Steve Brizel says:

    See the annexed column https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/264582/paying-the-price-for-abandoning-jewish-peand especially the linked letter by a prominent R clergyman who together witha a RY at BMG wrote a fascinating book based on their emails re their views of Judaism. This is what happens when you separate Tikun Olam from Malchus HaShem

  19. Steve Brizel says:

    Charles Krauthammer ZL was a wonderful example of a conservative public intellectual who had a very strong day school education and traditional upbringing. Regardless of whether you agreed with Krauthammer’s stances, he expressed his POV cogently and fearlessly. FWIW, I found his book as well as a collection of essays by Peggy Noonan of the WSJ (a regular columnist every Shabbos) always compelling-no other columnists in the media today have warned us so eloquently about the social consequences of a society detached from and unaware of basic religious principles such as Lo Sirtzach. I tend to doubt that too many in the Tikun Olam world view either Krauthammer ZL or Noonan as worth reading but this interview with Krauthammer ZL is compelling nt.https://tikvahfund.org/library/transcript-charles-krauthammer-at-last-zion/

  20. mycroft says:

    “why are so antipathetic to calitalusm.and democracy and so willing to apologize and offer a defense of socialism .in practice”
    Judaism does capitalism and it does not equal not equal socialism I don’t espouse either on an Orthodox blog,one can be a capitalist or socialist Rabbis have been both,neither are contradicted by halacha or Torah

  21. mycroft says:

    “the whole point of the social justice movement is to not help the downtrodden. the torah commands that the individual be involved in helping the unfortunate, and not pass it off to the group (society).” Torah makes society responsible see eg eglah arufah and yadeinu lo shafhchu and why chachamim had to say that.

  22. mycroft says:

    “orthodox judaism is chock full of people who help the downtrodden (often without concern for whether or not they are the politically correct group to help)”
    chock full of peopleReally? I have seen many fundraising events for Rebbe x or Rebbe Y or to try and spread Torah,I have not seen much activity to raise funds for societies poor.

  23. mycroft says:

    “Mycroft talk to anyone who survived the Holicaust or the Gulag. They can explain why the progesssive avenda is nothing more than a reworking of Communism”anyone?
    Does Abraham Foxman believe that?

  24. mycroft says:

    “Socialism in practice as a governing theory perniciously oppressed human rights and led to notoriously unproductive economies with privileges accorded only to those at the top of the ruling class”
    Not true, The Gini coefficient is much higher in capitalist countries.

  25. mycroft says:

    “Not true, The Gini coefficient is much higher in capitalist countries”
    Probably most important is to have progressive taxation and transfer payments to lower gini coefficients

  26. Steve Brizel says:

    Who benefits yhe most from.socialized medicine in Cuba othet than high tanking party officials? Abe Foxman is not representative of most survivors. Your views have been decidedly socialist for years.Soros admitted on 6o minutes that he saved his own nwck at the expense of his fellow Jews. Marek Edelman wad a far leftist.Eglah Arufah is offered solely because of the discovery of a mes. It is not a basis for extapolation to an agenda for social justice today. Again look at Achiezer and Tomchei Shabbos before you mischaracterize chesed.and tzedaka in tbe Torah world.

  27. mycroft says:

    “Charles Krauthammer ZL was a wonderful example of a conservative public intellectual who had a very strong day school education and traditional upbringing. Regardless of whether you agreed with Krauthammer’s stances, he expressed his POV cogently and fearlessly”
    I read Krauthammer often,as I have George Will for decades, but I hope that you don’t use as a model someone brought up Orthodox who was educated who rejected what we consider important. You like his ideology fine ,acharei mot kedoshim emor but please not for someone who rejected traditional Judaism as you consider important.

  28. Steve Brizel says:

    Those states in the US with srate income taxes aych as Ct California and Illinois are suffering from.an exodus of citizens to Florida and Texas where there are no such taxes.

  29. Steve Brizel says:

    Socialism.in practice represses individual rights China Vietnam Cuba the former USSR and Cambodia are notoriously obvious examples. The quality of medical care and research in socialized countries pales with that in the US.

  30. Reb Yid says:

    I’ve been in a lot of shuls in my life of all denominations and stripes. Outside of the progressive Orthodox synagogues i have belonged to (where diversity is welcomed as are political positions spanning the gamut) most Orthodox hew a very dogmatic line in terms of their membership. Obama supporters were sure to be socially isolated and ostracized if tolerated at all. Meanwhile we have Trump supporters in our shul and everyone gets along.

    Oh yes and we sure do our Tikkun Olam too.

  31. Mycroft says:

    Steve
    You attack medical care in Cuba straw man. US life expectancy 43 behind among other countries, Israel, Canada, Norway,Sweden, France UK. We pay much more than other countries for health care.We have a health care system that is a disgrace, we tolerate a situation where many US citizens go without basic health care

  32. Mycroft says:

    Steve
    You mischaracterizing socialist countries, you list Communist totalitarian governments as socialists. No more legitimate than if someone lists murderous regimes as typical capitalists. See eg Germany at how many companies survived the war with same controlling families on big companies frm 1932 to . Way past WW 11. Interesting for a ideology that kept big businesses operating and did not transfer assets to the common man used socialist term as a fake marketing tool

  33. Mycroft says:

    California and NY have higher per capita income than Texas and Florida, hike infant mortality rate in Texas and Florida is higher than the rate in New York and California

  34. mycroft says:

    “Eglah Arufah is offered solely because of the discovery of a mes.”
    But what did the leaders of the communities have to swear that they didn’t kill the person. not that we had any doubt that leaders actually murdered victim, but have to swear that victims needs were taken care of.

  35. mycroft says:

    “Abe Foxman is not representative of most survivors.”
    Do you have data of views of survivors, but irrelevant I was responding to “Mycroft talk to anyone who survived the Holicaust or the Gulag.”
    “Your views have been decidedly socialist for years.”
    I proudly believe that society has an obligation to our less fortunate, you disagree fine.Read our Neviim,especially Haftarot for fast days and Yom Kippur
    “Soros admitted on 6o minutes that he saved his own nwck at the expense of his fellow Jews. ” Not my hero, but mah inyan shmittah ezel har sinai. How do you think many survivors survived?Al dan chaveircha ad shetagiyah limkomo.

  36. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-I stand by my reading of history since 1917. Socialism in practice produced the Holocaust the Gulags boat families and the horrific policies that characterize Cuba Cambodia and Noth Korea and excessively regulated no growth economies in the UK Israel India and Europe for many years and much of the Third World. Socialism in practice remaimd the greatest threat to human rights and individual initiative and accomplishment today.

  37. Steve Brizel says:

    Krauthammers views on politics including Israel and what he viewed as Jewish continuity were superb. Halevai thay he had met and learned And been inspired by RYBS while in Boston. He could have become a fascinating Talmid Chacham as well.

  38. Steve Brizel says:

    Reb Yid socialists always rewrite history. When Onama was president anyone who criticized him was inevitably called a racist despite rhe merits of their views.

  39. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-in terms of quality of care and medical research-none of the countries that you mentioned compare to the American medical system. HHC for example offers the equivalent and concomitant poor quality of care as expected in the socialized medicine world and is kept afloat by politics and the fact that major medical centers have affiliation contracts whereby their residents and interns gain valuable training at such poor hospitals.

  40. Steve Brizel says:

    The ideological basis of socialism and especially the pernicious belief that the state knows more and can provide more and better quality services than the private sector in all phases of life other than preserving law and order and protection from domestic and foreign enemies., and remains the core value of the progressive world- Despite this mythological belief, it is difficult to maintain that the VA or the USPS , FEMA, and he NYFD provides better quality and more efficient services than private medical care, Fed Ex or faith based initiatives such as Achiezer. and Hatzala. If you want to see where redistribution of wealth takes place albeit on a very slow basis, just visit any courthouse in any area of the US. The Marshall Plan post WW2 and the benevolent occupation of Japan where far less was required politically and economically of Japan than even of Germany, were deemed necessary to avoid Communism from moving the boundaries of the Iron Curtain and fueled the economic recovery of West Gwermany, as opposed to East Germany, which was a an economic basketcase and ruled by Communists , and Japan. Statist progressives believe that only the state can dictate what educatiion parents should choose for their children, despite the fact that public education today is predicated on social promotion and scandalously low passage rates on tests and the discouragement of any discussion of basic morality.

  41. Steve Brizel says:

    There are many examples of how statist progressives view the world through rose colored glasses. Progressives in general view all social problems as remedied only through governmental intervention and regulation. One can argue both sides of the right to bear arms and masss shootings but I would suggest that the mental health issues and the responsibility of the media in manufacturing videos that depict violence and sexual imagery graphically and the decline of the family and religious values have been ignored as well as a little or no emphasis on the pathology and psychological background of the perpetrators. Again, I would suggest that those who urge walk outs in sympathy with the victims should read this column. eggynoonan.com/the-parkland-massacre-and-the-air-we-breathe/

  42. Yonah says:

    Hareidi Judaism has also produced a bumper crop of anti-Zionists. Shkoyach!

  43. Steve Brizel says:

    I think that a Yom Iyun on the right to bear arms and related issues as viewed by Chazal and Rishonim would be far more worthwhile as a Jewish response to mass shootings than joining in a PC Zomboid like call forgun control as the only solution to the issue of who should be allowed to possess a weapon. I would note that in Israel many IDF members keep their weapons at home and israel has no history of mass shootings.

  44. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-Soros is AFAIK the only survivor and I have read the memoirs of many and spoken to many over the years, who has admitted to aiding and abetting the Nazis in an extermination camp . His funding BDS groups and anti Israell and anti border views are a matter of matter of public record.

  45. Steve Brizel says:

    For those interested see the annexed video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Id0-Lsyr0

  46. Steve Brizel says:

    Many post war Poskim including RMF dealt with ShuT posed by those who thought that they accted improperly in saving their own lives. Obviously, Soros , as per the video, was not bothered by such issues

  47. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycrroft-look at it this way. Phillip Roth and Tom Wolfe both passed away recently. Roth’s career can be fairly described as one describing the psychological angst of post war American Jews as they assimilated in heart and mind. Wolfe was OTOH a fearless and satiric critic of the PC and a great chronicler of some of the best ( The Right Stuff) and worst elements of post WW2 American life and especially the PC tendency to mainstream the radical and the unacceptatble.

  48. Steve Brizel says:

    FWIW, Michael Chabon, whose views we talked about here recently, probably knew less about Judaism than Roth and is not in the same league as Wolfe as a great writer and social critic

  49. Steve Brizel says:

    For those of us who attended a high school in NY where the Regents tests were your final, take a look at how watered down the tests have become//nypost.com/2018/06/22/regents-score-sham/

  50. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-Rambam based on Chazal writes that Neviim all focused on having Klal Yisrael perform all mitzvos properly and not in a perfunctory manner and to do teshuvah, as well as to add strength to Dinei Torah., and that Leasid Lavo the only Neviim that will be relevant will be Joshua because of Yishuv EY and Esther because she was successful in restoring Jewish unity and acceptance of TSBP amd a communal wide teshuvah and ultimately the Binyan Bayis Sheni. The Neviim did not advocate a social agenda divorced from Shemiras HaMitzvos. Your comment in this regard is classical R propaganda

  51. mycroft says:

    “Mycroft-Soros is AFAIK the only survivor and I have read the memoirs of many and spoken to many over the years, who has admitted to aiding and abetting the Nazis in an extermination camp”
    Al dan chavercha, how do you think people survive in concentration camps,not by leading resistance.

  52. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-noone on welfare is denied medical care, That is a canard.

  53. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-read the memoirs and talk to survivors-Soros is the only one who has zero regret for his actions in aiding and abetting the Nazis in an extermination camp, as opposed to many survivors who engaged in many different means of defying their would be exterminators. His anti Israel and pro BDS views speak for themselves

  54. mycroft says:

    “that Leasid Lavo the only Neviim that will be relevant will be Joshua because of Yishuv EY and Esther because she was successful in restoring Jewish unity and acceptance of TSBP amd a communal wide teshuvah and ultimately the Binyan Bayis Sheni. ”
    What will happen in leasid lavo is not my concern,we live in the present.Are you seriously maintaining that the message of Neviim is not relevant to us right now? If you are more interested in Chazals message than Neviim,look to the message Chazal chose for this weeks haftorah-the last haftorah not tied to before or after Tisha Bav before Rosh Hashana. Read the last three verses especially.

    “The Neviim did not advocate a social agenda divorced from Shemiras HaMitzvos.”
    Depends on how one defines terms, certainly many disagree with you. See RAL eg An ethic independent of halacha. The Rav “halacha is a floor on proper behavior not the ceiling”
    Your comment in this regard is classical R propaganda. Maybe treating Neviims message is anathema toyou, but it is classic yahadus, you choose to call it Reform fine,but learn Tanach. easy way is by http://www.929.org.il they are finishing tanach in a couple of weeks will start again immediately.

  55. mycroft says:

    “I would note that in Israel many IDF members keep their weapons at home and israel has no history of mass shootings.”
    Actually,Israel has very strict gun laws-much stricter than US .
    Re mass shootings in Israel,what do you call Baruch Goldsteins murderous rampage or is Hebron not Israel ? Re general comment see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_Israel

  56. mycroft says:

    “Hareidi Judaism has also produced a bumper crop of anti-Zionists. Shkoyach!”
    In general they have produced even a greater percentage of ant-Zionists

  57. mycroft says:

    “Mycroft-noone on welfare is denied medical care, That is a canard.”
    It is not easy to get on welfare in many states. The Clinton administration limited welfare extensively. It is a lie to say that our poor people are in the health care system, true hospitals have to treat in emergency,but not non emergency care.They show up there their whole life and family life is ruined, the Hospitals are very aggressive in collecting their claims, effective SOL is close toa quarter a century,see eg NY SOL on making a claim,then once reduced to judgement the SOL on collection of a judgement.
    Want all to have effective health care give everybody what I’m on-Medicare.Make it a single payer and expenses go down by a quarter-reduce all medical offices eligibility bureaucracy etc..

  58. mycroft says:

    The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[8] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities and in the 1930s the party’s focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[9
    After using socialist language as a marketing device,once in power they joined up with the industrial elite who made out nicely during the third Reich,many continued to have great wealth at least decades after WW11

  59. mycroft says:

    “Krauthammers views on politics including Israel and what he viewed as Jewish continuity were superb. Halevai thay he had met and learned And been inspired by RYBS while in Boston. He could have become a fascinating Talmid Chacham as well.”
    He rejected traditional Yahadus, yet you treat him as a hero, yet you attack OO and they dont claim to reject traditional yahadus.I read Krauthammer and if I knew when he would be on TV and try and watch him,but he rejected except for political views.So political views more important than traditional yahadus as long as the person is conservative.

  60. Steve Brizel says:

    Goldstein was an exception to the rule. Gun control is not the reason . It is simply the fact that Israel trains and trusts its soldiers to act properly. There are many conservative thinkers who have very sound ideas on politics and culture who are not observant or even Jewish. They also do not make a mockery of halacha in the way that OO does.

  61. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft i have been learning Tanach for years. Name one traditional commentary tbat justifies your POV.

  62. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft I reject your attenpt to graft Tanach or any other source that you tend to quote as a basis for rationalizing todays far left progressive ideology . The progessive ideology spawned by feminism and continued by the LGBT agenda is and always had as its goal the destruction of the conventional family.

  63. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft Chazal derive numerous rabbinic mitvos and gzeros from.Tanach. Rambam explains that Zachor and Shamor in terms of content were certainly explicated and stengthened by the Neviim. The Neviimm gave tbeir messages to address spiritual deficiencies in Shemiras HaMitzvos and to encourage Klal Yisrael to do teshuva.

  64. Steve Brizel says:

    Why do so many citizens in single payer system.countries seek medical care in the US? The answer is that the US system is far better in quality and research and rewards those who excell as opposed to penalizing excellence which is another hallmark of socialism. Look at CUNY simce open admissions if you need more proof.

  65. Lawrence M. Reisman says:

    There is a very interesting study posted at https://www.statista.com/statistics/546678/top-global-destinations-by-number-of-medical-tourists/ It would appear that the United States ranks third in the number of patients coming from a foreign country seeking medical care, behind Thailand and Mexico. And by the way, there are quite a few US citizens that go abroad to seek medical care as well. Google “medical tourism” and see what you come up with.

  66. mycroft says:

    “Why do so many citizens in single payer system.countries seek medical care in the US?”
    Data please-even assuming that number is large compared to size of US medical facilities,easy explanation,US has a lot of rare treatments available for the wealthy, rest of population is ignored. See life expectancy figures for US vs OECD countries,and we spend much more per capita
    ” The answer is that the US system is far better in quality and research”
    Thus profits ofdrug companies much greater and we pay much more for the same drug than foreigners do. I am discussing medical care received by allAmericans vs what medical care foreign citizens receive

    “and rewards those who excell as opposed to penalizing excellence which is another hallmark of socialism.”
    The American system rewards medical providers and insurance companies much more than do other countries,but that does not translate into better care for Americans. We spend more and have worse outcomes.

  67. mycroft says:

    “It does not refer to any political agenda because at best man is a Melech Evyon”
    I am not the one who advocates political, ideological agendas. I do not advocate either a conservative or liberal agenda. I look at results, not merely conservative or liberal talking points.
    I am not the one who has quoted ideologues in this thread,see eg Irving Kristol.This whole discussion started when I simply wrote the following
    “mycroft
    June 25, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    Read Tikkun Olam : Social Responsibility in Jewish Thought and Law(The Orthodox Forum Series) edited by David Shatz, Chaim Waxman and Nathan Diament for different Orthodox perspectives on Tikkun Olam”
    Is anything that may have some disagreement with the politically correct conservative views that you espouse automatically espousing Reform?

  68. mycroft says:

    “Mycroft I reject your attenpt to graft Tanach or any other source that you tend to quote as a basis for rationalizing todays far left progressive ideology”
    I read Tanach as a crucial source of hashkafa, I do not engage in theological gerrymandering which is often done by those on both sides, the conservative and some Orthodox groups, and liberalism and some non Orthodox groups.

  69. Steve Brizel says:

    Abe Foxman despite his long tenure at ADL. should be regarded as warning about and looking for evidence in vein of the revvival of the KKK and looking for swastiskas when in fact the real and most problematic form of anti Semiitism exists on college campuses and the rise of leftist intersectionalism as well as ADLs steadfast defense of the Establishment Clause at the expense of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment

  70. mycroft says:

    Steve
    Re Anti semitism
    It is far from exclusive on the left see eg
    “But there is something new in the pervasive and relentless nastiness of Trump’s supporters, especially as they represent themselves online. While it’s certainly true that most of Trump’s supporters are neither racists nor anti-Semites, it appears to be the case that all of the racists and anti-Semites in this country (and many beyond) support Trump.”
    see https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/trumps-terrifying-online-brigades/

  71. mavin says:

    Basically, Tikkun Olam is the liberal’s (socialist) is their substitute for Torah. This way, they pride themselves on being Jews without behaving as Jews and forfeiting our holy Torah so they can mix with the other nations and be like them, and yet pretend to be good guys. They deceive themselves and the world. They are ignorant of Jewish law and their purpose on earth. They usually wind up being the worst anti-semites. ‘From within your midst will come your worst enemies’. How true. Intermarriage and assimilation is the greatest holocaust. Today’s liberals are worse than ever.

  72. mycroft says:

    There is plentyof antisemitism tolerated by the right,it is far from an exclusive left issue
    ” think that there are certainly Republicans who look out at those chanting mobs at Trump rallies and say, “Well those are our voters.” What that spawns is kind of this whataboutism. You see it from the Republican Jewish Coalition. They always say, “Hey, well, what about Louis Farrakhan, or what about the anti-Semitism of the left?” I feel like we actually have to be able to draw distinctions here, and there is a distinction here between the anti-Semitism of a Louis Farrakhan whose power peaked, if he ever had much power, in 1995 with the Million Man March, and the anti-Semitism of a movement that is global in scope right now in white nationalism. Louis Farrakhan doesn’t have 100,000 people marching in Budapest or actually securing a nomination for a major party in France. It’s not the same, and the fact is, OK, it might be uncomfortable for Republicans to speak out, but that doesn’t absolve them of the need to speak out. The reluctance to speaking out might be aided by the fact that it seems like if you dislike Muslims, a lot of very conservative Jews will be willing to give you a pass for anti-Semitism. I saw a touching photo of Ben Shapiro and Steve King together the other day.

    That worries me as well. I absolutely understand what you’re saying. The anti-Semitism of the left that Republicans love to point out is born of anti-Zionism. The anti-Zionism has spilled into anti-Semitism. My God, if you’re chanting death to the Jews in the streets of Paris or London, you can’t say that that’s not anti-Semitism. But the alt-right kind of likes Israel. The alt-right sees Israel as an ethnic homeland, just like what they want in the United States. They want the United States to be a white homeland and the Jews here can all go to their ethnic homeland in Israel”
    from
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/how-to-understand-anti-semitism-in-trumps-america.html

  73. mycroft says:

    “Basically, Tikkun Olam is the liberal’s (socialist) is their substitute for Torah. This way, they pride themselves on being Jews without behaving as Jews and forfeiting our holy Torah so they can mix with the other nations and be like them, and yet pretend to be good guys”
    Read the end of the Haftarah for this Shabbas, Prophets says God doesn’t need your sacrifices but what he needs is that you act in righteousness,mercy and justice.
    unshalma parim sfateinu. Obviously,we currently don’t have sacrifices but our substitutes are important but they are not the essence of Yahadus to act properly and improve the earth. Obviously, we don’t believe that is all that is required, we all have obligations bein adam lemakom, but it is ludicrous to attack those who spend effort and time doing chesed work for the world. Study Neviim, they make the message clear.

  74. Steve Brizel says:

    The photos of Keith Ellison and other politicians with Farrakhan and Obama having Al Sharpton on his speed dial are strong evidence of anti Semitism.being tolerated by the Democratic Party and the most recent President who in jis heart wad not a friend of Israel. How do you define a worse outcome? Anyone who treats an inner city payient yakes the risk of being sued for treating a patient whoseifestyle is compromised by a lifestyle which leads to end stage liver kidney and heart disease. You cant expect the medical system to change lifestyles predicated on alcohol and drug abuse.someine who chooses to live free of addiction stands a far bwtter chance of a better medical outcome and life. One should never confuse rejection of the progressive agenda with anti Semitism. What one sees on college campuses is proof that anti Semitism is alive and well.

  75. mycroft says:

    “Basically, Tikkun Olam is the liberal’s (socialist) is their substitute for Torah”
    Certainly,if Tikkun Olam is a complete substitute for Torah,it is a distortion,Torah is a complete package.One must follow it,not picking and choosing, thus one can’t decide to just do Tikkun Olam and ignore Shabbos, Limmud Torah etc. Similarly,one can’t just learn Torah 24/7 and ignore ones family,societal obligations. Doing Razon Hashemis doing everything that God desires.The exact breakdown for anyone is beyond my pay grade,the trade offs due to scarcity of resources, for starters limited hours in a lifetime make the actual breakdown for anyone a tough question,humility would indicate not believing that one can attack others for their allocation.

  76. mycroft says:

    Steve
    Id rather discuss Jewish issues,I have no desire on a Jewish blog to respond on health care systems. We are talking past each other, you do not quote data to me. I will respond to an analysis that shows an analysis of why my data is wrong.
    Every President since at least Reagan has been consistent in how they treat Israel, each one has done some positives and each one has been negative as well. Eg Reagan, selling AWACS to Saudi Arabia, recognizing PLO etc.

  77. Steve Brizel says:

    I would rather discuss Jewish issues aldo. I do tbink that the question of whether adcocacy and support of the progressive agenda today anc claiming that the same per se is either an authentic expression of Jewish continuity without Kabalas Ol Malchus Shamayim and Kabalas Ol Mitzvos is an issue of critical import. Obviously scientific and technological progress are part of the meaning of the first bracha of Krias Shema. I would question whether any political agenda is so included but any agenda which just won a primary in NYC and who is an avowed Hamas supporter deserves to be told why her views are anti Semitic as opposed to being lobbied for her vote.

  78. Steve Brizel says:

    Rejection of the progressive agenda should never be confused with anti Semitism. When It becomes impossible to perform Bris Milah prockaim.Rosh Chodesh and observe Shabbos and the YTs as well as to study Torah and worse RL then we will know that rhe most ancient of all social diseases has reached American shores.

  79. Steve Brizel says:

    Trunps father built a shul for free in Brooklyn

  80. Steve Brizel says:

    When educational authorities barge into a yeshiva or girls school and level the rhreat of closure necause a yeshiva or girls school refuses to acknowledege the feminist and LGBT agenda which has happened in the UK that is anti Semitism generated by the progressive movementwhich is presumably identical with many advocates of Tikun Olam.

  81. Steve Brizel says:

    For those interested this is the progressive agenda at work in the UKhttps://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/british-education-regulators-get-creepy-with-jewish-girls-yesodey-hatorah/

  82. Bob Miller says:

    There is no point in bringing in the atheistic wreckers of society to improve it.

  83. Steve Brizel says:

    For more about how and why anti Semtism is a mirror of anti Americanismwww.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/265365/anti-americanism see

  84. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft-I would rank Truman, LBJ Nixon Reagan WJC and even Bush 43 as far more friendly ( i.e. not just approving appropriations) but as understanding and appreciating the unique role that Israel has for the Jewish People and the importance of the US Israeli alliance far more than Eisenhower, JFK Ford Carter Bush 41 and Obama. Dennis Ross’s book is quite informative and instructive in this regard

  85. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft wrote:

    “” unshalma parim sfateinu. Obviously,we currently don’t have sacrifices but our substitutes are important but they are not the essence of Yahadus to act properly and improve the earth. Obviously, we don’t believe that is all that is required, we all have obligations bein adam lemakom, but it is ludicrous to attack those who spend effort and time doing chesed work for the world. Study Neviim, they make the message clear.”

    First of all, the Verse that you quoted means that our Tefilos are a substitute for Karbanos. I object to someone stating that merely doing chesed is the end all and be all of Judaism without a concomitant commitment to Bris Sinai.

  86. Steve Brizel says:

    For those interested in the limitations of statuistics by Gini Coeffiicients see the footnoted articles to the annexed article. at Footnotes 52 and 53https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#cite_note-52

  87. Steve Brizel says:

    FWIW, neither the NYT ( excluding Brett Stephens staunch defense of Israel ) Moment or Hararetz should ever be confused with or accused of publishing “data” in defense of Israel

  88. Steve Brizel says:

    “Chesed for the world” as Mycroft used the phrase does not IMO mean that you have an open door policy to any sector of the world that perpetrates terror ( ask yourself who has perpetrated acts of terror pre and after 9-11) and that serves as a conduit for violent human trafficking and a population that blames the US and its institutions for high rates of crime and drug addiction,. and a poor family structure.

  89. Steve Brizel says:

    Mycroft referred us to a review in Slate of a recent book. The interested reader might also be interested in this review as well.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/anti-semitism-in-america/559544/ For those seeking a more partisan review see Ben Shapiro’s review in Commentary.

  90. Steve Brizel says:

    Ben Shapiro’s critique of Weisman can be found here.https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/alt-blight/

  91. Steve Brizel says:

    Daughtry Sharpton and Farrakahn and their allies all were and remain close to not only the most recent occupant of the White House but all exercise much power. The current mayor of NY while he worked for Dinkins did nothing in response to the riots in Crown Heights that were in large part led by Daughtry and Sharpton

  92. Steve Brizel says:

    “Israel, Canada, Norway,Sweden, France [and ] UK.” were posited as socialist successes by Mycroft. In fact, thanks to reforms and privatization in Israel and the UK, socialist based economies were allowed to flourish . Milton Friedman told someone in Sweden that socialism worked well in homogeneous countries like Norway and Sweden-the latter of which has had a high suicide rate for decades and provided much of the bases of Ingmar Bergman’s films that depict a psychologically unhappy populace.

  93. Steve Brizel says:

    For those enamored with the single payer system try this articlewww.wsj.com/articles/yet-another-reason-to-thank-the-founding-fathers-1530649821?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb

  94. Dr bill says:

    I guess the derech ha-emtzoi died in the blogosphere. Yehi Zichro Baruch.

  95. Lawrence M. Reisman says:

    The latest WHO statistics show a suicide rate of 15.4 per 100,000 of population for Sweden, as opposed to 14.3 per 100,000 for the United States. That’s not that big a difference.

  96. Bob Miller says:

    Many have noticed how often the secular (often aggressively anti-religious) panaceas for world problems have made things much worse over time. Many others, too ignorant or indoctrinated to take notice, have replicated failure and called it success. Our job is not to split the difference between truth and falsehood.

  97. Steve Brizel says:

    For those interested in a single payer medical service at work see http://www.wsj.com/articles/reform-the-nhs-before-it-kills-again-1530723064

  98. mavin says:

    Socialists and Tikkun Olam adherents are Jews with either no Jewish souls (Erev Rav) or just plain Ignoramuses in Judaism.
    They throw off the yoke of Torah and have no Yirat Shamayim, but use the words Tikkun Olam as their view of Judaism, justifying to themselves what good Jews they are (in reality, the worst that can be) and thereby no need to work hard and do mitzvot nor adhere to any of G-D’s Laws, as many do not even believe in G-D. Phony Jews. Suggest they do teshuvah in these end times! As a commenter above wrote, ‘socialism’ brought on most of the world’s ills and destruction, but yet these chachamim learned absolutely nothing from history. They are no different than the other nations of the world because their excuse is no different than when H’ came around to each of the nations and asked if they would accept the Torah and when they were told what’s in it, they said they can never adhere to these laws. These messed up ‘jews’ are the same.

  99. Steve Brizel says:

    For those interested in how Sweden, and feminists) devalues parenting see the annexed linkhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-swedens-welfare-state-1531346908

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