A Very Bad Deal: Let Us Count the Ways

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13 Responses

  1. Bob Miller says:

    I’m trying to imagine the negotiating process that led to this fiasco. Maybe like this:

    1. US: Tell us what you want and it’s yours.
    2. Iran: We want A, B, and C.
    3. US: OK, sign here.
    4. Iran: Not so fast. We want D, E, and F.
    5. US: OK, sign here.
    6. Iran: Not so fast. We want G, H, and I.

    …and so on.

  2. Shua Cohen says:

    “The eastern world it is explodin’
    And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’
    Can’t you feel the fears I’m feelin’ today?
    If the button is pushed, there’s no runnin’ away
    I can’t twist the truth it knows no regulation
    Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
    This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’
    But you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
    Ah, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.”

    Barry McGuire, “Eve of Destruction” (1965)

    G-d willing, the g’eula shleimah is imminent.

  3. DF says:

    To call this capitulation a “deal” is to insult negotiators and dealmakers all over the world. But even more infuriating is the sickeningly hollow attempt on the part of this administration to blunt opposition by dangling the release of Jonathan Pollard as a carrot. How absolutely repulsive, to toy with a man’s life this way in so brazen an attempt to intimidate or bribe opponents. (The “useful idiots” among us will, no doubt, see this how they want to see it, as an act of sincere benevolence from the supreme leader. In which they must still ask themselves: how stupid can a man be, not to be aware how this will be perceived?) I didn’t think it was possible for this president to go any lower, but he just did.

  4. mycroft says:

    “dangling the release of Jonathan Pollard as a carrot. How absolutely repulsive, to toy with a man’s life this way in so brazen an attempt to intimidate or bribe opponents”

    Use http://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/ and ” Result for search jonathan pollard, Race: White, Sex: Male” shows “JONATHAN JAY POLLARD
    Register Number: 09185-016
    Age: 60
    Race: White
    Sex: Male
    Located at: Butner Medium I FCI
    Release Date: 11/21/2015”

    Normal effective sentence for life imprisonment in 1985 was 30 years and we are approaching his expected release date.

  5. Rachel says:

    So scary. Thank you for the comprehensive overview.

  6. L. Oberstein says:

    I awiat the day when all frum Jews including those who still are “non Zionist’ can fully express their belief in the State of Israel. I hope we can move from just davening for the matzav of our bretheren in the Holy Land to actually saying “Israel” when we write or speak internally,not just to the gentiles.
    This is a very difficult time and we need achdus and a lot of siyata dishmaya . I think that it is a done deal and that the most we can hope for are defense help to compensate. The USA us weak and spineless. The USA has no interest of ability to go to war against Iran, it is not even a remote possibility. What we are asking from Obama is not even a remote possibility. he is committed to this deal and the nations of the world are anxious to get back to business with Iran. We do need Divine help.
    In the context of the 9 days, this is my take:We celebrated a siyum tonight of Masechet Makot and we all had hot dogs and hamburgers in honor of the occasion. This is the speech that I would have liked to have given,but,since it wasn’t my personal siyum, I only thought it.
    The final episode is when Rabbi Akiva and his friends walk past the location of the Holy of Hollies and a fox comes out. They cry but he laughs.They cry because of the defilement of the holiest place and he laughs because ,since that prophecy has come true, he is confident that the second prophecy will also come true and once again there will be joy in Jerusalem. My thoughts,which I shared with several people near me was that we are indeed the fortunate generation that has lived to see this come true. Once again, Jerusalem is full of the sound of joy and of young men and women renewing our ancient homeland. How lucky we are, how good is our lot. But, the redemption is not over. We still have a lot to accomplish in order to live in tranquility in Israel. As we have merited to see the first flowering of our redemption, may we live to see the full fulfillment of Hashem’s promise.

  7. Y. Ben-David says:

    It is interesting to note that a large majority of Americans approve the agreement and at the same time, a majority believes that they Iranians won’t honor it. The only conclusion I can reach from this is that most Americans simply don’t care. Increasingly in the Western world, society’s and the State’s job is viewed as being no more than to provide maximum leisure time and entertainment. The most prominent opinion makers are increasingly celebrities such as singers, movie stars and athletes who generally know nothing about the issues they are babbling about. Ideas like “American is the arsenal of democracy” or “defending freedom” around the world are quaint and out of date.
    Well, since we here in Israel are on the front line of the struggle against barbarism, we are just going to have to learn to stand on our own two feet and not look to others to support us. I am well aware that Israel can not produce its own fighter planes and other expensive, complex defense systems like this but we can still obtain them for cold, hard cash. However the mental crutch of depending on the Americans which came out of the Oslo 1990’2 (e.g. Clinton’s “we know you Israelis are taking risks, you can count on us to back you up”) are now clearly meaningless.

  8. shaul shapira says:

    “A bi-partisan group of American diplomats, legislators, policymakers and experts — including former CIA Director David Petraeus, State Department nuclear proliferation expert Robert Einhorn, Dennis Ross, who oversaw Iran policy in Obama’s first term, and Gary Samore, Obama’s former chief advisor on nuclear policy — issued a statement on June 24 setting forth the minimum standards for an acceptable agreement. Those conditions tracked the initial American stance, and none of them were achieved.”

    Have these people commented on the deal since it was announced? I think they would have a bit more credibility if they said something. We kind of knew that no matter what deal was struck was going to be denounced by the Netanyahus and JR’s of the world. That doesn’t mean they’re wrong, but I think it takes a bit of punch out their arguments.

  9. Toby Bulman Katz says:

    I’m waiting to see how Rabbi Shafran will spin the Iran deal. Maybe it really is good for the Jews? After all, Obama does have Israel’s welfare at heart.

  10. Raymond says:

    I am not sure what else that Barack Obama has to do, before people realize that he is well on his way to doing all he can to dismantle the United States and destroy Israel. He is a traitor to this country, pure and simple, whose only interests seem to consist of furthering the twin causes of Marxism and Islam. If people had their heads on straight, with their eyes wide open, they would realize what is going on, and would find a way to put him on trial for treason. Certainly, he is in the process of doing more damage to this country than any other single individual in all of this country’s history. Why nobody is calling him out on this, is frustrating and frightening to live through. G-d help us all.

  11. Bob Miller says:

    Toby Bulman Katz (July 22, 2015 at 5:47 pm) wrote,
    “I’m waiting to see how Rabbi Shafran will spin the Iran deal. Maybe it really is good for the Jews? After all, Obama does have Israel’s welfare at heart.”

    Last week, Rabbi Shafran emailed me this press release issued on July 17

    “Upon consultation with its rabbinic leadership, Agudath Israel of America issued the following statement regarding the agreement announced on July 14 concerning Iran’s nuclear program, and calling for both political and spiritual advocacy:

    Deep concerns have been expressed by many knowledgeable groups and individuals regarding the agreement announced on July 14 concerning Iran’s nuclear program. These concerns raise serious questions whether the agreement is in the best interests of the United States and its allies.

    The nation that has the greatest stake in this matter is Israel, which is the declared target of Iranian genocidal ambitions. It is noteworthy, therefore, that not only the prime minister of Israel and its ruling coalition, but the entire spectrum of political ideologies and security experts in Israel, have spoken out about the mortal danger they believe the agreement poses to Israel, and are urging its rejection by the United States Congress.

    We have no doubt that the White House and its team of negotiators, in conjunction with its other partners, acted in good faith in reaching an agreement with the Iranians, and with the commendable goal of reducing the Iranian nuclear threat to America and its allies including Israel. However, we cannot disregard the opinions of so many that the agreement is not in the best interests of America and its allies, and certainly not in the best interests of our Jewish brothers and sisters in Israel.

    That is especially so in light of the undisputed and indisputable fact that Iran is a rogue state, which has fomented terror and destruction throughout the Middle East and beyond. It has been, and continues to be, fully committed to the destruction of Israel. Nothing in the agreement requires Iran to renounce its support of terror or its goal of genocide. Nothing in the policies or conduct of the Iranian government provides any realistic basis for confidence that it will live up to its obligations under the agreement, that it will not use the billions of dollars it will receive under the agreement to fund terror activities by Iranian proxies such as Hamas and Hizbollah, that it will not stockpile other deadly weapons and eventually even develop nuclear weaponry after certain designated periods of time, or that it has any intention of abandoning its genocidal ambitions.

    These considerations must be at the very forefront of Congress’ deliberations as it now carries out its awesome responsibility of independently reviewing the agreement and determining whether the agreement is truly in the best interests of America and its allies.

    To our own community, we reiterate the foundation principle that our security comes ultimately from Hashem, G-d Himself. Rabos machshavos b’lev ish, while man may have many thoughts and designs, atzas Hashem hie sakum, it is Hashem’s design that prevails.

    Surely we must do our advocacy, including reaching out to Congress and other relevant parties; that is part of our “shtadlonus” obligation under the clear mandate of Torah. However, the most important advocacy we can do is to turn to Hashem, to recognize that teshuva tefilla u’tzedaka ma’avirin es ro’a hagezeira, repentance, prayer and acts of charity are the keys to our salvation.

    This is a period of somber reflection for the Jewish people. May the challenging developments in the world around us remind us of how fragile our existence truly is, and how totally dependent we are on the protective embrace of the one-and-only Shomer Yisroel, the Heavenly Guardian of the Jewish People.”

  12. mycroft says:

    “Toby Bulman Katz
    July 22, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    I’m waiting to see how Rabbi Shafran will spin the Iran deal. Maybe it really is good for the Jews? After all, Obama does have Israel’s welfare at heart.”

    Every US President has US interests at heart-some have been more interested in the relatively disadvantaged, some have been more interested in the oil industry. Every recent US President has done somethings pro Israel and some not so pro. Eg Ronald Reagan was the President who recognized the PLO, he was the President who pushed AWACS deal for Saudi Arabia,George Bush had many open fights with Shamir and Israel, GHWBush refused to engage Iran when it could have been stopped and refused to give bombs to Israel that with a successful attack would have then destroyed the nuclear capability.
    Clinton and Bush all had fights with Bibi. Carter after his Presidency has certainly been anti Israel. Obama pro Palestinian state but also greater military cooperation with Israel.

  13. cvmay says:

    Obama’s only concern is foreign policy of America – which he is changing immensely.

    Remember the State Department is the strong, right arm in formulating American policy and it has been proven that they are Arabists.

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