Moving Commentary6

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  1. lacosta says:

    maybe for haredim in israel , who live in Eretz Yisroel lechatchila and in medinat yisrael at best bediavad , part of the dilemma is trying to determine which parts of the latter they are willing to claim ownership to.

    in a sense the recent kerfuffle of the yeshiva bochrim who participated in filming of ‘Shababnikim’ 2 yrs ago as extras , and got expelled from yeshiva now [since the show is a BIG hit , and not only in hiloni/DL circles], is exactly that dilemma — how much of the forbidden culture of the medina [and the world ,for that matter] to allow in…. and is what’s allowed in Philadelphia assur in bnai braq, and why….

  2. lacosta says: wherein RYA is described as ‘ the awesome all arounder”… maybe that will be your new tagline….

  3. DF says:

    Have you ever considered that Gentiles, too, in the America you left behind, might long for the type of “belonging” you describe? They once had the same feelings too, you know, and many still do. It’s called “nationalism.” You are unabashed in asserting ownership over Israel, dismissing the many claims to the contrary. White Americans feel exactly the same, no more and no less, about their country. They likewise dismiss those who claim otherwise. These are feelings you know cannot be stifled. How should it be addressed?

    • I have no reason to doubt the strength or validity of feelings that various non-Jews have for their countries. (I do have a problem with narrowing those feelings to “white” Americans.) I was not dealing with ownership or possession, however. That’s an entirely different topic. My feelings have to do with my identification with what is around me, and say nothing about the right of others to share the geographical space. It is important, however, for those of us who are MOTB to remember the thought of R. Samson Raphael Hirsch about different kinds of nationalism. The ties that bind other nationalities stem from people sharing a land for a long time, and evolving a shared language and culture in the process. Klal Yisrael, on the other hand, became a people outside of a particular land. The Jewish people were brought into their Land, rather than a land forming a people.

  4. Thank you for the very interesting post. Hate to think of you as not being on Gardner st or Pico but am not totally surprised. Do keep in touch and may God protect and use you for His purposes. Elizabeth R Skoglund

    • Raymond says:

      I am having a really tough time getting used to the idea that Rabbi Adlerstein is no longer at his famous address on Gardner Street, nor will I ever likely see him davening at his familiar spot in Rabbi Bess’ shul. But then I remind myself that all of it has been an illusion, not only in his case but for many of us, in the sense that none of us Jews truly belong anywhere other than in our Jewish State of Israel itself.

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