The Rabbinic Blacklist Hoax

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7 Responses

  1. Ben Waxman says:

    1)I agree, there is no blacklist.

    2) Having said that, the Rabbinate gets very little sympathy from me over this episode. The organization refuses transparency and openness. A simple list of requirements of the information needed to be included in any letter of reference is not too much to ask. If the basic defense of the rabbinate is that it is a huge organization and Rav Lau doesn’t control every facet of what goes on, that is a very poor defense.

    3) The rabbinate and moetzot datit are really in need of reform (anyone doubting this assertion, take a look at what is happening between the Jerusalem city rabbinate and moetza datit or at the members of the rabbinate governing council). Maybe ITIM played cards that they don’t have in this one. That doesn’t change the basic problems.

    4) The claim “any agreement to reform is playing into the hands of the secularists” is simply setting the rabbinate up for complete dismantlement. The “domino effect” isn’t an argument.

  2. Mycroft says:

    The change in practice for the past decade how Gerim are treated in Israel has been immense. It has reached the stage that a Chaver of mine has told me that he will not encourage Gerim who are teenagers and have gone to day school their whole lives to go to Israeli Yeshivot for their gap year.

  3. dr. bill says:

    To say that the scene in Israel is confusing is an understatement. Ever since the decision by the religious right to lower the caliber of occupants of the position, (their favorite, now seating in jail,) things have not been pretty. I have been told that Rabbi Amar was given a dizzying set of “facts”/falsehoods/truths that it caused him, a very intelligent man, to, on occasion, appear rather inconsistent.

    And now CR Lau apologizes for the actions of one of his underlings, who he said should be reprimanded, when we are now told he should have expressed his anger at Rabbi Farber!! I guess the shenanigans have again outpaced even the chief rabbi’s ability to keep track.

    The CR has been harmed beyond repair. In a country where obvious Gedolim, RZNG and RAS, to name just two, stay as far from politics as possible, the need for yet further separation of the rabbinate from coercive power is an absolute necessity. If by forced choice you had to trust the geirut of either Rabbi Scheier and Rabbi Farber and a colleague or one of the Eidah haChareidit, what would you do? I have no doubt what I would do since I know of a sham conversion by only one of those batei denim. Of course, the halakha does not condone forced choice so I would obviously accept both.

  4. Bob Miller says:

    The release of any document touching on rejection of conversions needs prior review (for content, timing, need to do it…) at the highest organizational level. No one in charge should be so naive anymore as to ignore the hostile atmosphere out there among opponents of Torah and the gullibility of much of the public. No one at a lower level should even imagine taking such a step independently. The Chief Rabbinate operates under a secular national government not that sympathetic to rabbinic control of any kind.

  5. Rob says:

    Rabbi Gordimer raises some good points. So how does one reconcile the deft, game-theory political machinations of almost Machiavellian style of the Israeli Charedi political constituency and leadership with what seems to be the incredibly clumsy, careless, insular, and tone-deaf Charedi-controlled state Rabbinate in Israel who never “miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” to be mekarev the majority Israeli and non-Israeli Jewish population and those who aspire to be part of Am Yisroel? It boggles the rational (Jewish Rationalist?) mind.

    • dr. bill says:

      it is not at all irrational. The chareidi gedolim were and are willing to trade monetary and institutional support for their (desired) way of life even at the life and death expense of those outside their community. Anyone remotely familiar with the history going back to the Begin years can attest to the trade-offs that then divided gedolai yisroel. Figures as diverse as great Israeli chassidic Rebbes and the Rav ztl, were violently opposed to the trades that were accepted back then. Sadly, over the years the pendulum has continued swinging in the wrong direction; dissident voices among the chareidi community are largely silent or have quietly acquiesced.

      but as recent research is showing, the pendulum is beginning to rectify itself as the masses are no longer obeying the strident voices at the top. Lu Yehi Ratzon.

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