“There Is No Hatred Like the Hatred of Faith”

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  1. Ben Waxman says:

    If it matters, Adon Gideon (along with a few other writers for this particular paper) may whine and cry about various aspects of Israel, while being widely read and admired in chutz l’aretz. In Israel he and his opinions are barely known. Haaretz has their English edition which is quite popular but their Hebrew newspaper has the smallest circulation of the four major papers. And of those who do read it, many only read “The Marker”.

  2. Harry Zeitlin says:

    The challenge, as I can see it, is how to keep our hearts open to fellow Jews like this in spite of the hate they spew. But it’s a fine line between an open and a broken heart in things like this.

  3. manny saltiel says:

    Gideon Levy, it seems to me, would be much happier in Luxemberg. Can someone help him pack his bags please?

  4. Baruch Gitlin says:

    It’s important to remember that people like Gideon Levy make up a very, very small percentage of secular Israel. Even in HaAretz, there are many other writers that are capable of writing positive things about Jews and Judaism. As Rabbi Adlerstein himself says in this post, that same issue of HaAretz headlined a poll stating that 80% of Jews in Israel believe in God, and 70% believe we are the chosen people. Judging secular Israelis based on Gideon Levy is like judging religious Israelis based on the most anti-dati leumi anti-secular columns in the Israeli Yated Neeman.

  5. Harry Zeitlin says:

    I didn’t intend the previous comment as a “feelgood” platitude. If we’re serious in “kiruv rechokim”, these are the rechokim we have to work with. It’s not so hard to turn someone on who is already curious and vaguely attracted. It’s rarely going to be successful to counterattack–we’ll just drive him and his cronies even farther from Torah. If we act like doormats, we also won’t get anywhere. While I don’t have a solution, I think that in the meantime we need to make sure that nothing we do as individuals close the door even further.

  6. Gavriel says:

    “all on the basis of Bible stories”

    What, he doesn’t believe that there was an ancient Jewish presence in Israel?!

  7. Pg says:

    At least one quarter of Haaretz is owned by a German company

  8. L. Oberstein says:

    “The effete snobs of Haaretz”
    A vert apt description. Every issue of Haaretz contains articles about how the present government is backward and ruining chances for peace. Haaretz and the Supreme Court represent the old guard, the effete snobs. You hit the hail on the head.

  9. Ellen says:

    He lumps so many things together – definitely more of an emotional piece for that 20% who agree, than some logically formulated argument in favor of secularism.

    The link in the title is to the “print” view – would it be possible to add a link to the original article?

    [YA – OK. It’s http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/god-rules-all-in-2012-israel-even-the-state-1.409739 ]

  10. joel rich says:

    R’YA said:This cannot be an easy time for the fanatically secular in Israel.
    ————————
    Interesting – many orthodox find the use of the term fanatic offensive when applied to orthodoxy.
    KT

  11. yy says:

    I find it refreshing to get the issues clear.

    G-d is not what divides us. It’s the notion of His favoritism.

    This is not a new battle. It’s been raging since the French revolution. Is it possible that there are some people inherently more privileged than others?

    I agree with R’ Yitzchak that the real challenge is to begin living our chosenness as a palpable kiddush H’

  12. concerned says:

    Thank you for pointing out this article. If he is correct in describing modern day Israel the future looks much brighter than it would seem from the newspapers. Too bad for Gideon and his ilk but who knows….they may come around soon as well.

  13. Bob Miller says:

    Wherever on earth these snobs ultimately want to emigrate to, there are some people there already who are just like them. It’s a worldwide affliction, but it stands out most starkly in our Holy Land.

  14. Toronto Yid says:

    His last sentence is particularly ironic!

  15. Mr. Cohen says:

    Does AM SEGULAH really mean “chosen people”?

    To better understand the simple translation [peshat] of the phrase AM SEGULAH,
    look into Kohelet chapter 2 verse 8 and Divrei HaYamim Aleph chapter 29 verse 3
    with the commentaries of Rashi and Metsudath David.

  16. Mr. Cohen says:

    Gideon Levy seems to not understand that the “international community”
    whose collective opinion he highly values to is around 25% Muslim by population
    and around 33% Muslim by the number of U.N. members,
    and most of the others are afraid to do anything that might anger Muslims.

  17. lo fidalti says:

    “a mezuzah on the doorjamb of nearly every home and a rising number of people who kiss it each time they enter or exit”
    I don’t see hatred here.
    Levy feels overwhelmed, saddened & irritated by the news that he belongs now to an atheist minority.
    This must be a very big “klap” for him. I actually feel for him. No irony here.
    He still might come to his senses.
    Worst case scenario, when he comes to Shomayim (after 120) Hashem will greet him: “Gideon, you I really love. You were busy with Me all your life. Too bad, you came to the wrong conclusion, but you thought of Me all the time.
    Not like some of these guys who just go through the motions, & never spare one single thought for Me.”

  18. Baruch Gitlin says:

    lo fidalti – I like that worst case scenario a lot. Reminds me of Woody Allen, I forget which movie this is from, but he refuted someone who called him an atheist by saying he was the “loyal opposition.”

    As for “Am Segulah” – what about “special people” – or, to be more wordy but maybe more accurate – “people with a special mission.” I think the biggest misunderstanding there is about this chosen people stuff is that it gives us some kind of special privilege. To the contrary, I always thought it gave us a special responsibility.

  19. Reb Yid says:

    Not to spoil the party, but these folks don’t exactly have a monopoly on smugness or vituperative hatred.

    Religious folks need only look at themselves in the mirror…Beit Shemesh is only Exhibit A of religious and ideological fervor gone amok against those who are perceived as not meeting religious specs.

  20. David F. says:

    Harry,

    “If we’re serious in “kiruv rechokim”, these are the rechokim we have to work with.”

    Does this mean that those who do kiruv rechokim are not “serious” in what they do? Or is this your way of saying that this is how you’d do it if you were actually serious about it?

  21. dovid2 says:

    lo fidalti: Worst case scenario, when he comes to Shomayim (after 120) Hashem will greet him: “Gideon, you I really love. You were busy with Me all your life. Too bad, you came to the wrong conclusion, but you thought of Me all the time.
    Not like some of these guys who just go through the motions, & never spare one single thought for Me.”

    This is a great insight. We should tziter (tremble in Yiddish) that it might be true so that we shouldn’t be called charedim for no reason.

  22. Yehoshua Friedman says:

    A few scattered comments:

    Part of that trend is in today’s Likud primary in which Moshe Feiglin is expected to once again increase his percentage of the vote and once again be shut out of the leadership by dirty tricks. Those of you who are Likud members, get out and vote today. Those of you who are still in America, get over here and make EY even holier and be able to afford to send your kids to school.

    Am segula … why not “purple people” a royal color?

    Kiruv should work on the 20-80 principle like all teaching and selling. The 20% who are most likely to be affected should get 80% of the attention. The rest get the other 20% and some Tehillim. Daven for Levy and don’t let it eat you up. The future truly belongs to Hashem and His people. Both will prevail.

  23. Yisrael Asper says:

    THe world of Gideon is collapsing. THe Palestiniainas are not going to be making peace with Israel but war with themselves. “Reb Yid
    Not to spoil the party, but these folks don’t exactly have a monopoly on smugness or vituperative hatred.

    Religious folks need only look at themselves in the mirror…Beit Shemesh is only Exhibit A of religious and ideological fervor gone amok against those who are perceived as not meeting religious specs.”

    Well not to spoil your party but the religious are not the Beit Shemesh fanatics. We all need to look at ourselves in the mirror, including you, but we don’t need those who offer a distorted mirror like you give. Further the Haaretz types have vastly contributed to the polarization that causes what you condemn.

  24. Yisrael Asper says:

    The world of Gideon is collapsing. The Palestinians are not going to be making peace with Israel but war with themselves. “Reb Yid
    Not to spoil the party, but these folks don’t exactly have a monopoly on smugness or vituperative hatred.

    Religious folks need only look at themselves in the mirror…Beit Shemesh is only Exhibit A of religious and ideological fervor gone amok against those who are perceived as not meeting religious specs.”

    Well not to spoil your party but the religious are not the Beit Shemesh fanatics. We all need to look at ourselves in the mirror, including you, but we don’t need those who offer a distorted mirror like you give. Further the Haaretz types have vastly contributed to the polarization that causes what you condemn.

  25. Tal Benschar says:

    it’s doubtful there is any other free nation on the planet, with the possible exception of the Americans, that would produce the same results

    This is in the geder of nibah ve eino yodeah ma nibah.

    I have always wondered why Israel is held in such contempt in Europe but in such high esteem in America. (I am not talking about the intellectual elites, I am talking about the majority of ordinary people.) Perhaps he has inadvertently put his finger on it. America is a fundamentally religious country although it has a secular government. The experience of Israel (and indeed of the Jewish people) tends to confirm God’s presence in the world. This makes atheists highly uncomfortable, but tends to confirm believers in their belief.

  26. dovid2 says:

    Yisrael Asper: “Further the Haaretz types have vastly contributed to the polarization that causes what you condemn.”

    How much I wish this were true. The charedi hooligans are the exclusive product of the charedi world, not any less than the g’dolei Eretz Israel. To the extent the charedi world finds these hooligans useful in any way to advance its political goals, even if it finds their methods unsavory, it’s only fair for the charedi world to take the blame for them. To the extent the charedi world does not come out vehemently, in one voice, against anyone calling a little girl prostitute, against terrorizing children going to school, against throwing rocks at people or buses, against those in their midst unwilling to extend kavod to a fellow human being, to the extent the charedi world does not take effective steps to isolate these hooligans and put them out of business for good, the charedi world deserves the reputation it currently has, notwithstanding the exceptional achievements of the B’nei Torah it has producted.

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