“I see all these Sephardi names!”

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10 Responses

  1. dr. bill says:

    a lesson not learned is normally retaught; note the curriculum issue coming front and center.

  2. Sarah says:

    Yes, I was also impressed – this is the second fair and positive article that Derfner has written about the Emanuel affair. I left him a complimentary comment.

  3. Yosh says:

    While I agree that the fathers did the right thing by standing up to the court and going to jail; this whole thing makes me a little sad and this idea that this episode is some massive kiddush Hashem leaves me uneasy.

    At the end of the day, this dispute started when shtarker parents in the community felt that even though a number of Sephardi Baal Teshuva parents wanted to educate their children in a frum environment… their families were not acceptable and their daughters needed to be kept completely separate.

    Even if you agree with this – I don’t live there and don’t know the facts on the ground – it’s at BEST a sad necessity.

    A BT or potential BT in Israel could easily take away the message that the frum community was rallying and joyous over their victory in the fight to keep their kids away from the BTs’ kids. The massive outpouring of triumphalism should at least be tinged with some awareness of this conflict.

  4. E. Fink says:

    Just because a minority is complicit to racial bias does not mean that no racial bias exists.

  5. another Nathan says:

    You might get in trouble for chilul Supreme Court.

    Jerusalem Post
    ” Police to investigate haredi site
    By JONAH ANDEL
    07/15/2010 19:14

    Website suspected of contempt for calling Emmanuel judge anti-haredi.”

  6. L. Oberstein says:

    My dear Reb Yaakov, as always you are partically right but at least this time I have to agree with the comment “Just because a minority is complicit to racial bias does not mean that no racial bias exists.”
    Now that the dust has settled, here are a few facts that seem to be universally accepted by all chareidim with whom I communicate . The whole situation in Emanuel was mishandled by everyone on both sides and exaserbated by lack of trust and differening agendas on all sides. There should never have been a wall in the school, that looks horrible and makes the girls feel that they are cut off from the others as if there is something wrong with them. There has to be a better way.
    The law suit was brought by a group in the Shas community that is angry about the discrimination that does exist and everyone knows that it does. They took an approach that was not approved by the leader himself,Rav ovadia, and it may have fit into the phrase “the building of the youth is destruction”. On the other hand, it may have awakened the sleeping giant of the Sephardi majority that will now become more agressive in demanding what they believe is their Jewish right9and which most orthodox Jews the world over also feel is their Jewish right).
    The demonstration was effective and its peacefulness a good thing but it may have ramifications that will lead to cutting off the spigot that finances chareidi life in Israel. It could become a “bechia ledoros” if it leads to the overwhelming majority of the taxpayers of the State to just not want to take it any more.
    As far as the little school or schools in the hick town of Emanuel, they are just the test case of a situation that might just be starting to boil. Wait and see.
    In response to your main point, it is beside the point. This issue is not whether a few Sephardim can attend a chassidic school, it is whether the State of Israel should be financing self segregating schools for each of the multitude of streams within Israeli orthodoxy. Demanding a chassidic public school in Emanuel may just be the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  7. Joe Hill says:

    “Now that the dust has settled, here are a few facts that seem to be universally accepted by all chareidim with whom I communicate . The whole situation in Emanuel was mishandled by everyone on both sides”

    R. Oberstein, I’m not sure which chareidim you communicate with, but none of the many chareidim I communicate with many times throughout each and every day share that view. Aside from considering the result in Emmanuel an unconditional victory, they believe they acted appropriately throughout even with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

  8. koillel nick says:

    Most Haredim here, in Jerusalem, view the whole affair as a failure for the haredim. The court is now involved in haredi schools, and its gonna burn Haredi schools when ‘core curriculum’ fight gets heated up. The same deal could have been signed earlier, without a showdown with the court. Even the rally, in hindsight made little sense. When living in gallus, we shouldn’t announce that we are refusing to follow the law. Most Orthodox Jews agree that if there was no way out, listening to rabbis would take precedence over listening to a court, but no responsible leader says it out. Not in USA, and it shouldn’t be said in Israel.
    I must agree with E Fink and L Oberstien. Living in Har Nof, The center of Sephardic Haredi Land, there is a unanimous opinion among Sephardi young men – “kollel avreichim” that they have to be more aggressive. I have not met one, who didn’t back Yoav Lalum and Noar Kehalacha.
    E Fink wrote
    “Just because a minority is complicit to racial bias does not mean that no racial bias exists.” Without mentioning specific names, those sephardic names mentioned in the article, are of prestigious families. Two of them, are sons of chashuv dayyanim in the Rabbinate. The racism is frustrating common Sephardim, not those who have the clout. Thats why they are angry at Shas party. The askanim get their kids in because they have the clout, and in turn are not worrying about the masses.

  9. Shaya says:

    “Aside from considering the result in Emmanuel an unconditional victory, they believe they acted appropriately throughout even with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.”

    Reminds me of the advice to Richard Nixon in how to win the Vietnam war. Let’s just declare that we won, and leave. While terrible anti-charedi bias surfaced, and Larry Derfner’s article was a breath of fresh air to prove that point, the whole story should be a wake-up call to the charedi world from a number of directions, both internal and external. While I have no doubt there are charedim who don’t agree with R. Oberstein, I believe that in general their default attitude is that all is well in the chardi world and we can do no wrong. And THAT is the REAL problem.

    If THIS was “unconditional victory” I shudder to see what failure looks like. A reality check is in order.

  10. L. Oberstein says:

    In response to the gentleman above who still believes the Emanuel fiasco was an unmitigated victory for the chareidim, I would like to share what I just saw in Hamodia. To quote: “Defense Ministry Plans Increase in Random Inspections of Yeshivos and Kollelim”. There are 60,000 men who are deferring their army service because Torah is their full time profession. Due to pressure from the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Defense will no longer blindly accept a statememt of the Vaad Hayeshivos that all 60,000 are full time learners. They will hire mashgichim to inspect the yeshivos and kollelim for those who are not there full time.
    Is this another example of the majority losing patience with a group that defies it at will. Does the gentleman really think that there will be no adverse reaction to the rally and the defiance of the court, that the world will go on as before? As we enter Tisha B Av we need to figure out a way to keep the state of Israel from coming apart from internal division. At some point, if there is a real split and Shas loses its fear of the Ashkenazi Torah leaders and is lead by a more agressive leadership, the whole coalition situation could make Yahadut Hatorah irrelevant and then the money spigot would be cut back. The whole Olom Hatorah is living on nisim .

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