What Can We Do for Them?

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  1. L. Oberstein says:

    I may have misunderstood ,but I saw an ad today on the internet that someone posted. It said that there is a man who will pay for your shul to install lockers so that you will not take your cellphone into the syangogue. It says that the shul in Har Nof is getting 3 such cabinets. The ad makes clear that the cause of the massacre was that people brought cell phones into the synagoge. I may have misunderstood, but, in the past, there have been people who knew why Hashem allowed tragedies to happen. If it is true that this man feels this way, I wonder if it is right to allow him to capitalize and aggrandize his vision onto the community.

  2. Raymond says:

    I am pretty sure that if those four Rabbis in Har Nof had been given the choice to either become famous for their good deeds, or avoid being brutally butchered by those islamoNazi savages, that all four of them would have chosen to remain relatively unknown and yet continue to live unharmed on this Earth.

  3. Nachum says:

    L. Oberstein: Why can’t people simply be depended upon to turn their phones off? If anything, I’d prefer the phone in someone’s pocket than it being in a locker, where it will ring and ring. (This actually happened yesterday, but it wasn’t in a locker.) And, of course, in an emergency, you want one…

  4. Jewish Observer says:

    “The message Hashem is sending us by highlighting these lives of Kiddush Hashem is….”

    – Oysh. I was really hoping this piece would steer clear of claiming knowledge of heavenly mysteries into which even our gedolim have openly acknowledged they can;t claim visibility

  5. DavidF says:

    Rabbi Oberstein,

    I don’t know if anyone is claiming to know why events happened as they did, but Mishna Brura does state quite clearly that talking in shul is alleged to have led to the destruction of shuls throughout history and perhaps this inspired this attempt to limit the amount of שיחה בטילה that would take place in a shul that certainly has suffered terrible destruction. I know it’s easy to criticize this venture, but I’m not sure such criticism is warranted.

  6. David says:

    What can we do? Lock the door and have security guards. Yes, there are some shuls that have such security.

  7. joel rich says:

    I was struck by the phrase “The message Hashem is sending us” as well but would suggest a simple modification which I often use: “Truthfully I have little idea, if any, of why this specific event occurred in HKB”H’s world, I do know that the message I will try and take from it to improve myself and give it some positive meaning is……., if that works for you too please feel free to copy me without attribution”


  8. Big Maybe says:

    I don’t understand why so many people get all up in arms when someone pronounces a possible reason for a tragedy. Aren’t we supposed to look for reasons? Doesn’t Rambam say that one that ignores possible reasons for a tragedy is acting sadistically? Didn’t Joseph’s brothers look for reasons for the unfolding “tragedy” at the hands of the Egyptian viceroy? Do people think that all tragedies happen for no humanly-understandable reason?

    Perhaps people feel that these reasons should be kept to oneself. I don’t understand why. I’ll hear other’s opinions, even if they make me uncomfortable – which is the point.

    Perhaps the problem is that these reasons are uttered with certainty, and after all, nobody can be certain of Gds motives. Well sure, simple humility is always called for. But it why is it so insufferably irksome for so many blog commenters? Seems to me something else is bothering them, but I can’t put my finger on it.

  9. Chochom b'mah nishtanah says:

    What is abundantly clear is that none of the previous posters have taken any such message to heart.

    Not what I expected on this site.

  10. Steve Brizel says:

    Superb column-each of us can look at ourselves in the mirror and find something in the lives of the Arbaah Kedoshim Zicronam Livracha, HaShem Yimkam Damam and apply it to our lives-especially with their devotion to Torah, Avodah and Gmilus Chasadim. Acting in such a manner, even in a minimal manner, would be an exercise of Bchirah Chafshis as dramatically depicted by Rambam in Hilcos Teshuvah 5:1.

  11. Jewish Observer says:

    “none of the previous posters have taken any such message to heart”

    – i rest my case

  12. Raymond says:

    I do not think that it is a matter of people on here not wanting to look for reasons to explain such evils as the islamoNazi massacre of those four Rabbis praying in Har Nof. Rather, the proposed explanation has to make sense, something that will satisfy both our theological as well as our moral sensibilities. And so far, I have not come across any explanation that makes any real sense to me. Meanwhile, on a more naturalistic level, what does make sense to me is for every sane, law abiding Jew living in Israel or anywhere else for that matter, to be allowed to both own and carry a loaded gun.

  13. Chochom b'mah nishtanah says:

    “none of the previous posters have taken any such message to heart”

    – i rest my case

    Unfortunately, you have just proven my case.

    I do not know why this tragedy happened, but I do know that each of these korbonos were unique and exceptional. And these least we could do would be to be inspired and be moved by them. And it is also true that רובא דרובא of people had no inkling of how exceptional these individuals were and how much we could have and should learn from them.

    But instead you have the “brilliant” skeptics with their utterly inappropriate remarks. Instead of being moved, they’d rather make ליצנות. And you are proud of that.


  14. L. Oberstein says:

    I would like to say that I admire certainty but I don’t. Just because you believe something without doubt does not make it true. There are fundamentals in our religion that we accept with certainty ,but that is also an act of faith. We trust those who established these beliefs. But, this does not open the floodgates for anyone to decide why Hashem allowed something to happen or caused it to happen and now we know “al ma avda haaretz”. There are lots of good traits we can cultivate and not speaking in shul is certainly one of them. It drives me up a wall that certain people in a certain shul sit and shmooze non stop even after the rabbi and the President and their neighbor who sits behind them (Me) have pointed this out. But, I am not ready to blame anything bad that happens on these committed conversationalists.They are not going to rearrange the order of creation and bring down Hashem’s wrath on the tzibur. Cellphones are addictive. I recently got one with What’s App and Facebook and email and it is a great yetzer horah to pull it out when one is bored or waiting for the chazan to repeat the amidah,etc. That is a real threat to our kavana and one we need to recognize,but, I am not going to take blame for the murders of four good people.

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