No Room for Retreat

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  1. JewishAtheist says:

    “Bush lied.”

    See Bob Graham’s What I Knew Before the Invasion”.

    Excerpt:

    “There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document [the NIE]. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein’s will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.

    Under questioning, Tenet added that the information in the NIE had not been independently verified by an operative responsible to the United States. In fact, no such person was inside Iraq. Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.

    The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.” It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version. Its conclusions, such as “If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year,” underscored the White House’s claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq.

    From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.

    On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not.

  2. T.F. says:

    very idealistic … despite the setbacks pulling out of Iraq will cause staying in Iraq and constantly developing a strategy to fight a culture that we don’t understand is a perfect starting point for disaster and at the very least another cause to exhaust America of funds that should be allocated towards securing our homeland.
    Whatever the outcome with the amount of lives lost this has definitely become the ‘Iraq syndrome’ already putting vietnam in its shadow.

  3. Aaron says:

    JA,
    We know that line, how about substantivally addressing the points Mr. Rosenblum made? It doesn’t sound like you read a single word that he wrote.

  4. JewishAtheist says:

    Ok, Aaron, how about this one?

    THE PRINCIPLE ARGUMENT against a quick withdrawal of American troops from Iraq is that it would send a message of American weakness and lack of determination to enemies around the globe.

    I’m not for immediate withdrawal, but this argument is just stupid. We should keep fighting, even if it’s counter-productive, so that we don’t look weak? Only a Bush supporter could think that changing course when things are going downhill is a sign of weakness. The argument should be about what will happen if we do or don’t pull out IN IRAQ, not some fear of looking girly to our enemies.

    What, you’re afraid that Ahmadinejad is going to say, “Oh, well, if we oppose the U.S., they’ll only destroy my government and capture me! At least after three or four years of counter-productive fighting, they’ll pull out and I can be tried for war crimes?”

  5. Ori Pomerantz says:

    T.F.: very idealistic … despite the setbacks pulling out of Iraq will cause staying in Iraq and constantly developing a strategy to fight a culture that we don’t understand is a perfect starting point for disaster

    Ori: Yes, it is impossible for the US to change a culture by force to make it democratic. We failed in formerly Nazi Germany. We failed in formerly Imperial Japan. We are going to fail here.

    If Iraqis were a tribe in the jungle with no knowledge of western culture and we desire for such knowledge, this would be hopeless. They are not.

    T.F.: at the very least another cause to exhaust America of funds that should be allocated towards securing our homeland.

    Ori: It’s also another cause to exhaust the Islamic world of fanatics that could have been coming here to die for the Jihad. As much as Al Qaeda would like you to think otherwise, that supply is not endless. It is a lot more limited than our supply of funds.

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