Preliminary Observations About the WZO Preliminary Results

There are some (pleasant) surprises, and some lessons to be learned.
The results are only tentative, since thousands of votes are being challenged as possibly fraudulent. Entire slates are being challenged.
Nonetheless, we can tentatively draw some conclusions.
Eretz Hakodesh (EH) drew about 50% more voters than five years ago, despite a vigorous campaign from parts of charedi leadership to frame voting as prohibited. It can be assumed that those who voted Eretz Hakodesh identify as charedim. The push to view voting as a violation of long-standing policy of detesting anything connected with Zionism was forceful and ubiquitous. That means that those who voted did not simply fail to receive the memo. They were defying one message in the charedi world for different ones they received from their own guides and mentors. Or, they didn’t see it as an issue that required a Torah luminary to pass judgment on, and voted their own conscience.
All of which means that parts of the US charedi establishment are in trouble. Invoking party discipline didn’t work. But then again, the lay leadership of those groups already sensed that.
The new kid on the block – Am Yisrael Chai, essentially the slate of the wonderful kiruv efforts of Olami – went from rags to riches, garnering more votes than any slate other than Reform. Heck, they did better than rags-to-riches. Five years ago, they weren’t even rags. Yes, they outvoted EH. We’re going to have to ponder this one. The slate was certainly charedi and charedi-friendly. Could be that Olami’s pitch about how they envisioned using WZO support was more upbeat and positive than EH’s message of keeping support away from the heterodox parties that have consistently fought Torah-friendly projects.
The Modern Orthodox slate (a partnership of the OU and Mizrachi) was only a few thousand votes behind EH. I thought they would do better. Part of the explanation has to be that the MO share of the Orthodox pie continues to shrink. Not because they are doing anything wrong, or suffering from great attrition, but because they cannot match the birth rate of those further to the right. Still, they are much better communicators, and their natural constituency could be expected to be more easily linked through social media. Might it be that even as the EH vote showed that Anglo-charedim are not as locked into authority regarding matters they do not see as halachic, the MO community knows much less authority, and could not be incentivized by its community leaders to get out and vote? We’ll have to wait for the analysis and spin from within the MO world to learn what happened.
Five years ago, before the previous election, Orthodox presence – especially right-of-center Orthodox presence – within the WZO was nugatory. EH changed that, dramatically. If you combine EH, Am Yisrael Chai, and a half-dozen small Orthodox slates, you are looking at a changed Jewish world. (And properly, you should add the Modern Orthodox slate, which is likely to vote for the same projects that the parties further to the right will support.) In a word, the Orthodox world, which supposedly only amounts to 10% of American Jewry, made the heterodox movements look like a Tesla left for a few hours in front of a convention of Democratic Socialists. We swamped them.
Not surprisingly, the Open Orthodox slate got nowhere at all.
The Orthodox showing does demand a reassessment of the role that Orthodox Jews play in the general good of the world Jewish community. Hopefully, many people will see the victory as a blessing that come with responsibility. Some will conclude that “Zionism” needn’t be a dirty word. All should come to understand that Orthodoxy cannot sit on the sidelines of the greater Jewish community as it did for decades after the Holocaust, slowly rebuilding what had been lost. We are at a point where HKBH wants more from us now.
(1) Looking at the relative performance of Eretz Hakodesh and OIC, I think that there were some fringe MO slates which may have distracted voters away from OIC. I received repeated messaging from the OU and Mizrachi to vote for OIC. It was positive and encouraging. However, I suspect that EH’s messaging might have been tinged with a more prescriptive Daas Torah sky-is-falling and as such made the imperative to vote for them more desperate among its constituency. So, given that there were no alternative draws away from EH, that might have helped with their relative numbers compared to OIC.
(2) On one hand, it would seem that since Eretz Hakodesh did relatively well represents a potch-in-punnim against the Kannoim in the Anglo Chareidi world. After all, it demonstrates that they over-estimate their influence to control the narrative. I wonder if they have noticed that from the outcomes here or even care. On the other hand, at the end of the day, they will be receiving more cash. So, they are able to have their cake (virtue signaling on anti-Zionism and insularity) and eat it too (reaping the rewards of their Shabbos-Goyim in Eretz Hakodesh).
(3) Over the past several years, the Kannoim in the (Anglo) Chareidi world have obviously crossed red lines to get to a zone previously occupied only by Neturei Karta and Satmar. That was intentional, strategic, and in my observation has either been met with complicity or apathy. And the Konnoim playing the Daas Torah card makes it impervious to push-back, at least openly.
(4) Any voting process like this is a private matter. So, those card carrying Agudah folks who are outwardly following the optics of Daas Torah, yet have been objectively uncomfortable with the their leaders and institutions trending across the aforementioned red lines, are able to vote as they wish and still stay socially relevant to their families and communities. Many who had previously been perfectly comfortable with being compliant to Daas Torah when their leadership was under more legacy moderate management, now find themselves not-so-comfortable with what is now being thrown at them. So, for a matter like this, they can privately vote their conscience without anyone knowing. But, this particular vote is merely a microcosm of how they attempt to resolve their cognitive dissonance. There are other manifestations as well, currently and moving forward. So, they will continue to do the dance.
Leaving aside Am Israel Chai which should wait to see where their votes came from. 3 possibilities legal and represent 31000 individual decisions to vote for them, legal but used a loophole to secure votes not really representing different voters independent choices or some other method of producing votes.
Eretz Hakodesh and Mizrachi OIC together about 56000 votes. Reform and Conservative Judaism together had about 75000 votes..
There is at least a fair question to ask do the leaders of the Mizracghi slate appeal to MO baalei batim. Are they all MO/Centrist or are they Chardal?
The Rabbis of MO schules may no longer represent MO ideas themselves. I wonder how frequent is the situation ine my general community where the predominant schools that Rabbis of MO schules sent their children to 55-60 years ago were MO day schools-today the Rabbis send their children to Chareidi or at least pseudochareidi schools. The other schools still exist. So do we have a divide that didn’t exist sixty years ago between clergy and laity about beliefs that didn’t exist back then. Obviously current Rabbis were trained by different RY than those serving 50-60 years ago.
JFTR, many EH votes were cast before the prohibition on voting was promulgated, so you can’t necessarily extrapolate from the vote count that there are 27,000 chareidi voters who don’t care what their daas Torah says. I myself tried to vote before anyone said anything against voting, and this was after thinking it over for a while. (I couldn’t vote because I couldn’t truthfully affirm that my primary address is in the USA.)
Rabbs Kotler and Feldman seem not to have much support; congratulations to hareidim who saw the futility of their arguments.
My sentiments too! By the way, I bought a three volume Sefer Koneh Olamo by R ALebowitz the new Dean of RIETS who I learned is your SIL. The. Sefarim are superbly written and your SIL is a great Talmid Chacham with much insight. may you always have Nachas from such a great Talmid Chacham
thank you
William:
After the “Keren Olam HaTorah” train rolls through the U.S. to a town near you starting June 15, it will be a litmus test as to how much support they actually have in the American Yeshiva World today.
That’s won’t show much. RMH Hirsch will be in Detroit this Wednesday, and there will be large (for Detroit) crowds, but there’s very little money there. That showing will be replicated in most cities they visit. Last year they made close to 90M of their 100M goal, and 90% of that came from less than 200 people combined. They’ll prbably approach that again, though the Adirei Hatorah is pulling most of the Lakewood nouveaux riche in.
A victory for those who are tired of seeing those who scream the loudest dominate the conversation.
I am not in their Camp. I did vote. But, I certainly did not vote as a bitul or repudiation of those gedolim; as hard as I find it sometimes to give them their deserved kavod. Tens of thousands of potential votes did not materialize. Do not discount their influence.
As after every WZO election, it pays to look not at percentages but at actual numbers. 29,000 votes is, guessing, about 1 in 20 charedim. True, only about 1 in 20 American Jews voted overall, but for a community that can fill *one stadium* with 90,000 people for a Siyum, that’s…not so much.
Also, I’m having a hard time getting your numbers to add up: Although you write about Am Yisrael Chai as if we should all know about it, I don’t think I’m the only person here who has no idea who they are. (You also say they’re part of “Olami” as if we should know what that is, and I don’t think any of us do.) They certainly don’t *seem* charedi from the little material they have online, so either you’re overestimating their affiliation or they are a major front in some way.
Speaking of affiliation, though, you really need to explain this:
“If you combine EH, Am Yisrael Chai, and a half-dozen small Orthodox slates, you are looking at a changed Jewish world. (And properly, you should add the Modern Orthodox slate, which is likely to vote for the same projects that the parties further to the right will support.) ”
Why would you separate the Modern Orthodox slate from the others here, basically describing them as a nice backup for the projects *you* are in favor of? Are they somehow less frum? At best your “right of center” throwaway is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
I will not even touch on the whole issue of whether there should be elections at all.
maybe because , if push came to shove, eretz hakodesh must now vote against the IDF -now that their daas tora declares once and for all that it is chazer treif- but for the MO , the army is sacramental….
I would not count Mizrachi/OU out . That slate which I voted for ranged from RHS R Aryeh Lebowitz R S Rosner and R Rimon Mizrachi’s free magazine is always an excellent read
I do think that Eretz BaKodesh drew so many votes for the reason that many in the yeshiva and Chasidishe worlds are embarrassed by Charedi leadership and publications that fret and worry only about draft deferrals and Shidduch related issues when not dealing with issues as Chinuch which shows not just a concern that is not just insular but self absorbed in their constant harping on these issues that borders on narcissism when fine Bnei Torah from hesder Yeshivos are fighting an existential war of self defense for all of Klal Yisrael
I think change in the Charedi world will happen when it reaches a Bear Bryant moment Bryant integrated his football teams at Alabama after an all white Alabama team was crushed by an integrated USC team That led to integration in the Deep South more so than court decisions and civil rightd acts
https://matzav.com/i-wont-pray-for-leftist-hostages-rabbis-words-ignite-firestorm/
Perhaps this Rav should learn Parshas Ki Sisa where Moshe Rabbeinu asked HaShem to spare Klal Yisrael after the Egel and to restore the covenant with HisPeople
the fact that this remark can be contemplated, let alone said, is an indictment of a significant number of individuals unless and until he is put in cherem.
No possible ruling coalition in the Knesset will negate the draft for all Chareidim. The Chareidi bloc there can’t get a better deal as long as secular courts and bureaucrats remain in charge of national policy. Somebody needs to make the best of the situation
Well, the rest of us have been forced to “make the best of the situation” for over a year and a half already, and not because of any “secular” forces. About time everyone else did the same.
“We’ll have to wait for the analysis and spin from within the MO world to learn what happened.”
On this note, I received an email yesterday from OIC-Mizrachi, excerpted and linked below:
“…OIC-Mizrachi achieved an excellent result in the WZC elections in the U.S. Approximately 27,000 American Jews voted for our OIC-Mizrachi slate, an increase of about 25 percent over the last election. Voter turnout was the highest in the history of the American Zionist movement, with seven new slates competing—22 slates in total, compared with 15 last time around—an encouraging sign for the future of the Zionist movement.
The strong OIC-Mizrachi showing underscores our community’s steadfast dedication to Jewish unity, the primacy of Torah learning and living, and the centrality of the Land and State of Israel—defended on the front lines of the IDF at this critical time.”
https://api.neonemails.com/emails/content/P-nUQrqPaAMqSvMjazVtxtk1OfwCB0uRNSCTPEh2bVA=
I voted OIC – Mizrachi, although I was educated and I live in the Charedi community. Somewhat like a registered Democrat who votes Republican or vice versa, I identify more closely with certain hashkafos of the YU world (some of which used to be acceptable in the Charedi community as well) and so I voted for their party.
At the same time, I was happy to see Eretz Hakodesh , which I voted for in the 2020 election, as well as the new Am Yisrael Chai slate do well (hopefully, the unfortunate alleged voting fraud will not have a material impact).
R. Yehoshua Pfeffer wrote last month about Charedi society evolving and adjusting organically to new realities, specifically mentioning the WZO participation. See excerpt and link:
“Of course, Halachic rulings are often top-down, while those with a distinct social character are likely to develop bottom-up. When the process has run its course, Chazal inform us that delicate questions can be decided by force of the custom: puk chazi mai ama d’avar—go out and see what the people are doing. The custom, ultimately, determines the Halacha. Regarding Israeli Charedi society, it seems we are well into a seismic process.
…In this new Charedi era, nobody seemed especially surprised by the conduct of the Eretz HaKodesh party during the recent WZO elections. Rav Dov Lando, shlita, who was appointed as the leading rabbinic figure via the standard protocol of Yated Ne’eman, issued a scathing denunciation of the party’s participation in Zionist-affiliated institutions, banning involvement in the elections outright. And yet the party, its representatives, and its supporters—including prominent Haredi figures such as MK Moshe Gafni (whose son works for KKL) and MK Yitzchak Pindrus—carried on undeterred. Business as usual.”
https://iyun.org.il/en/sedersheni/charedi-norms-at-the-turn-of-time/
it would appear that the haredi daas tora has now asser’ed Tzahal . as non haredi jews will probably move to asser [ or treat as cherem — see Slifkin today ] the hareili community , we wonder how the US haredim [who will be called to absorb the further billions needed ] and rabbi adlerstein will react….
There was an Open Orthodox slate?