The Moetzes At A Crossroads

The kol korei by the American Agudah Moetzes regarding the WZO election has the makings of a huge make-it-or-break-it gamble. The guy in the street is not being asked whether he is with the gedolei hador, or against them. Rather, he is told to choose between competing groups of gedolim – to swear allegiance to the Agudah slate rather than the other. If this were baseball, he’d be deciding between the American League All-Stars vs. the National League. Depending on whether or not people vote for Eretz Hakodesh, the Moetzes will either emerge stronger than it has been in decades, or weakened to the point of irrelevance.
The Moetzes came into being in the turbulent times of the opening decades of twentieth century European Jewry. No one at the time spoke for Torah-true Judaism as a group. There were thousands of communities scattered over the landscape, populated by Jews who looked, dressed, and spoke differently from each other. Many believed that European Jews needed to have a univocal voice, to guide and coalesce them internally, and to represent them externally. It was particularly important, they thought, to bring together chassidim and non-chassidim.[1]
The first iterations of the Moetzes did just that. German rabbonim, Litvishe roshei yeshiva, Chassidishe rebbes (including Chabad) were all represented. After the Shoah, this essentially continued, both in Israel and in the US – with an important addition: Sefardim joined as sitting members. The Moetzes could still be viewed as the voice of the collective non-Zionist gedolei Torah.
When Rav Shach pulled Degel Hatorah out of the coalition, the Moetzes in Israel became something very different. Chassidim had their own Moetzes – although they had really reverted to the much earlier practice wherein each chassidus was guided by its own leaders. Not long after, Sefardim also broke off, and formed the Moetzes Chachmei Hatorah. The Agudah Moetzes had become the voice of the Litvishe Torah community – an important enough role in Israel, where separating religion from politics would have meant utter powerlessness.
In the US, chassidim continued to be represented on the Agudah Moetzes. For a while, there was an unofficial power sharing arrangement that guaranteed sizeable representation for both Litvishe and chassidishe leaders. In time, as the various chassidishe courts flourished and grew in size and influence, they began to work more independently – or by allying themselves with the most dominant chassidishe groups. Today, chassidim have only token representation on the US Moetzes; it can only claim to be the lodestar of the vibrant and thriving, B”H, American “yeshiva” community. That is quite a big deal – but nothing more.
But even this is perhaps no longer. This time around, American charedim are not being asked whether they will remain true to Torah principles, and seek guidance and instruction from Torah leaders, as we always have. They are being asked to chose between one group – an apparent majority of the Moetzes – and an equally impressive group that takes strong issue with the psak regarding the WZO.
People who have followed the story know that the psak does not reflect the positions of many, many Torah figures. That includes members of the Moetzes itself, some of whom have aligned themselves in recent weeks with the opinion of zekan hagedolim, R. Shmuel Kamenetsky, and many others who have shied away from any public endorsement of Eretz Hakodesh (for fear of becoming a victim of our own version of cancel culture) but have shared their feelings quietly with talmidim and mispallelim. They know that even in Israel, there are large numbers of roshei yeshiva who have endless kavod, as they should, for Rav Dov Lando – but still (quietly) disagree. They know that y”l, R. Lando has positioned himself against the stated position of R. Chaim Kanievsky, who instructed people to vote in the past.
Putting it all together, people just cannot feel that they are choosing between siding with Torah luminaries rather than lesser people. They know that this is not true. They are going to ask why they should go with the Moetzes rather than others, just because they’ve always done so in the past.
If they stay loyal to the Moetzes, it will be an important victory, one that will likely add years to its leadership. If they bolt…
Complicating matters is that this is not like other questions in the past, where Jews lined up behind their favorite rabbis, knowing that they understood very little about the issues. This is not another Get of Cleves. The caught-in-the-middle Jew in this issue may have some strong opinions about the matter that will predispose him to one side or another.
Some with traditionally strong anti-Zionist leanings will cheer on the Moetzes. Others will not. They will have a hard time squaring what they themselves know to be true with the message of the kol korei.
There are many examples contained in the kol korei that will tick people off, and send them scurrying for a different group of luminaries.
Here are just a few:
“The Zionist Movement was founded 125 years ago with the purpose of uprooting the foundations of Judaism.” Of course this is not true. It was started to allow Jews to escape persecution and penury in Europe by creating a Jewish homeland on the Land we had been linked to for millennia. Uprooting them from the foundations of Judaism was certainly what many, many of the adherents of secular Zionism wished for – and later acted upon. But it was not a definitional element of Zionism. When the children of pious chassidishe families jumped on the Zionist bandwagon, it was not for the purpose of abandoning Torah – although that happened. It was for the purpose of creating a better (they thought) life for themselves and their children. To argue otherwise is not only inaccurate, but a slap in the face of those who supported a Torah Zionism – like Rav Shmuel Mohliver, the Netziv, and Rav Isser Zalman. It is another manifestation of the position that many have come to detest, of “when we say Torah, we mean us. Exclusively.”
“The geonim the Chofetz Chaim, the Gerrer Rebbe, Rav Chaim of Brisk, the Chazon Ish, Rav Aharon Kotler, the Steipler, Rav Elazar Menachem Man Shach, and Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, zichronam livracha, forbade joining the World Zionist Organization (WZO).” People are going to wonder. Do we really determine policy based on positions of gedolei olam a hundred years ago? Has Zionism remained the same? On a given day, I daven maariv in a shul built in part by government money. I pass a mikvah built and sustained by government money. I daven the other tefilos in a chanichei yeshivos minyan populated by Kollel avreichim. Their families are subsidized by the government in multiple ways. The yeshivos they attended were recipients of large subventions by the State. If the Zionists are trying to eradicate Torah, they are certainly doing a miserable job of it.
Moreover, many of our Anglo charedim have spent time here in Israel since Oct. 7. They have seen past the headlines about protests and civil war, and witnessed the renaissance of interest in Jewish roots among those pesky secular Zionists. They have stood in awe at their mesiras nefesh for Am Yisrael. And they have stood shamefaced upon realizing that the charedi community (as a whole; I’m not speaking about thousand of yechidim acting as yechidim) has lived like a group apart from the rest of the country. They are going to be wary about positions and pronouncements that affirm the isolation of charedi Jews from everyone else, and will seek the leadership of those with a tad more openness.
“It is forbidden to agree to matters that the Torah leadership of Klal Yisroel has explicitly forbidden.” This is going to raise some eyebrows. Once again, the assertion that “the Torah leadership of Klal Yisroel” – not of Agudah, but of Klal Yisroel – is us! They will note that Shas is running its own slate in the WZO election. But what do you want from a bunch of Franks? They certainly are not part of our Torah!
Some Anglo charedim have had enough of this kind of thinking. It is infantilizing and humiliating to thinking people. Backs against the wall, they will continue to accept instruction from Torah leaders, rather than follow their own gut. That is part of what makes them charedim. But give them a legitimate choice, and bets may be off about which group they will follow. Especially because people recognize that in any mix of positions, the extreme ones have the most influence, and they understand that Peleg seems to have more influence in the Moetzes than it does in Israel!
The next weeks will be interesting, as the votes come in. Or don’t. May HKBH guide us all to proper decisions, and proper respect for each other.
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I am indebted to Dr. Judith Bleich for this observation ↑
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We are not clueless kids, and all the disputants should recognize that. Pulling rank or applying social pressure should stop in favor of rational persuasion. This applies to all elections.
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Well said
the only fact both haredi factions can agree on is their total rejection of the dati leumi /OU-YU-Mizrachi derech [ and perforce any validity to their rabbinic leadership ]. the total derision I read in most amcha sites , like Yeshiva World News , I find totally eye opening — to realize that my folk is seen as freierim at best , kofrim as the more standard belief.
Does one doubt that when the next Knesset elections come around, that the dati folk will insist that their representatives ensure that the haredi agenda be actively opposed , and to side against those who have neither their back nor their front?
Ideally, no party will be entirely for itself. Israel can’t maintain a stable democracy though monkey business as usual. A recognition of the national interest would be refreshing.
You make the mistake of assuming that the Agudah kol korei was done with thought and deliberation. Hence the “calculated risk”. Methinks you presume too much. It was written because a minority of the moetzes were able to force the release of the document, specifically the eitznikim on the moetzes. I don’t for a minute believe that any thought was given to your intelligent analysis of the possible outcomes.
From what I hear, the lay leadership of Agudah agrees with you!
Interesting – Might it also be that the US moetzet was looking over its right shoulder at the true chareidim of eretz yisrael?
bsorot tovot
Almost certainly. Those in favor of voting reportedly tried to save face by saying that once Rav Dov Lando spoke, they had no choice but to go along. Which is pretty tragic, because the reasons that could call for complete separation from the rest of society – and using accursed Zionism as a whipping boy – have no application to life in the USA
Yitzchok isn’t daas Baal habaayis normally hepech daas Torah so when you want to know what daas Torah is look at the consensus of lay leadership and it should give you a strongidea
…Except when it isn’t
But more importantly, you seem to have misread the entire piece. The issue does not pit talmidei chachamim against baalei batim. It pits one group of talmidei chachamim against another
Change normally occurs slowly with a small number of momentous events that result in accelerated change. This event is of the latter type. Regardless of what happens, so-called daat Torah has given way to the more traditional Jewish notion of eilu ve’eilu divrei Elokim hayim.
The genie has escaped the bottle, hopefully never to return.
When Christie was running against Corzine for NJ Governor in 2009, the Lakewood Vaad strongly supported Corzine, while its voters strongly supported Christie. Already, the internal political influence of the leadership was on the wane.
I grew up in the 1970s, and was profoundly influenced by The Jewish Observer (the official magazine of American Agudah), and its constant message of pride in how the politicians of Israeli Agudah did exactly as they were instructed by the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah. You can’t begin to imagine how disillusioned I became, when Degel broke off from them in the 80s. Where is the unity? How did the majority of the Moetzes feel about this breakup? Alas, I searched the pages of the Observer in vain for many years for some word of explanation or consolation. That was almost 40 years ago, and I applaud Rabbi Adlerstein for being the first (that I’ve seen) to address that event and put it into some sort of historical perspective.
For those of us who identify with those Gdolim who have been giving Chizuk to the IDF being Mnachem Avel and Mvaker Cholim to the victims of Hamas from the beginning of the war this issue is irrelevant
1) Baruch Hashem!
2) Unfortunately, however, not true. If the Peleg/Eitznikim succeed in pulling votes away from Eretz Hakodesh, it will strengthen the Brisk/Satmar interpretation of history for another generation of young people, making those gedolim or yours (and mine!) irrelevant
This Kol Koreh is what can be expected from certain members of the Moetzes who have long documented stridently negative views about anything remotely connected to the State of Israel and all forms of Zionism as well a studied refusal to acknowledge that there are Gdolei Torah and very fine Bnei Torah who are Moser Nefesh for Klal Yisrael in Gaza while the Charedi world largely has been carrying on as life is normal in a way that Rambam in Hilcos Teshuvah and Hilcos Taanis clearly disapproves of .Yes we must send a strong signal that Am Yisrael Chai despite the vicious currents of anti Semitism by learning Givibg Tzedaka and doing more Chesed but having a studied indifference to the Mesiras Nefesh of our brothers and sisters in the IDF cannot be called being Noseh Bol Chavero .One waits in vein for any publisher other than Maggid y to publish a book about those who fought back on 10/7 and the Mesiras Nefesh of the hesderniks in this war .
“Of course this is not true….”
Just Rav Chaim brisker said it is true.
Zionism was long before Jews in Europe were being heavily persecuted.
Just you should know that rav Chaim soliveitzick and practically all major roshei yeshiva from Europe disagree with you.
“Just Rav Chaim brisker said it is true.”
I haven’t seen that from his pen. No good reason to demand less
“Zionism was long before Jews in Europe were being heavily persecuted.”
Simply wrong
“Just you should know that rav Chaim soliveitzick and practically all major roshei yeshiva from Europe disagree with you.”
Thank you for enlightening me. Now that you’ve told me that, I will certainly accept it and fully believe it.
NOT.
Besides, anyone not living in a closed echo chamber knows that Zionism today means something very, very different than it met in pre-War Europe. And any community that bases its policy of today on decisions of a hundred years ago without taking into account changes that have occurred, is going to see the world – and their own adherents – leaving them behind
One could argue that Yiftach had hardly the level of Torah knowledge of Shemuel. Yet chazal tell us yiftach be’doro ke’shemuel be’doro. The reason seems obvious: absent understanding current context, psak is not possible.
To use the logic of Rav Landau?
Maybe Rav Chaim was given misinformation!
Rav Landau’s claim totally destroys the contemporary concept of Daas Torah.
When I was growing up, those who opposed the “New Daas Torah” said exactly that. “The Gedolim are steeped in learning, not wordly and fed information by questionable sources, often with a personal agenda!”
Now “Daas Torah” says the same!
“Zionism was long before Jews in Europe were being heavily persecuted.”
I’m sorry, the amount of willful ignorance required to say this is mind-boggling.
End of the day the side the Torah leaders that opposes voting have been very vocal and visible about it. The Torah leaders on the side that allegedly support voting with a few exceptions has kept their opinions to themselves. Therefore even assuming they exist this can hardly be framed as two sides of Gedolim and siding with one. Furthermore even assuming things have changed, the opponents of voting in the WZO are correct at least in the fact that the status quo on not voting in WZO election is on their side. And always has been. Therefore they aren’t remotely making a new prohibition and demanding people go along.
The logic of this completely evades me. Because one side is vocal it can’t be framed as two sides? (This is always the case with extremists; even more so when they can operate within a cancel culture that totally shuts down the other opinions)
So suppression of a point of view invalidates it?
Perhaps the question is why is one side not voval?
bsorot tovot
That’s easy. Because long before “cancel culture” became a known commodity in the world at large, we had invented and implemented it.
This is all the product of a world view that still cannot deal with a sovereign Jewish state as imperfect as it is as the host to the greatest quantity of Torah learning and the spiritual center of the Jewish People as HaShem Yisbotach’s gift to Am Yisrael after the Holocaust.
Schmerel, your comments do not qualify even as da’at ba’al habayit; they reflect no da’at.
Remember, Hareidim voted 5 years ago.
“If they stay loyal to the Moetzes, it will be an important victory, one that will likely add years to its leadership. If they bolt…”
The next weeks will be interesting, as the votes come in. Or don’t.
I think you need to quantify this a bit. What counts as a success for the moetzes?
IMHO, if Eretz Hakodesh fails to garner more votes than last time – or if they wind up with even fewer – it will be a major victory for the Moetzes. It might also be the undoing of Agudah, ironically, because those who keep it financially alive are reportedly not happy with the fact that the Moetzes has turned into an extension of Eitz/Peleg