Gedolei Yisrael on Bein Hazmanim

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10 Responses

  1. HILLEL says:

    When brave young men are putting their lives on the line in the battlefields, it is elementery Menschlichkeit that all of Klal Yisroel should share the burden.

  2. Menachem Petrushka says:

    Dear Rabbi Rosenblum

    I am glad to see that Ashkenazi Gedoley Yisroel cancelled vacations this time in contrast to what happened in Nissan and Av of 5762. What changed their minds? More people were killed and injured in Nissan of 5762 tban in this war so far.

  3. Yaakov Menken says:

    Menachem,

    What’s the question?

    In 5762 vacation had already started when the infamous Pesach massacre led to significant hostilities — and until that time, the conflict was nowhere near as large or as dangerous as the present one. You didn’t have hundreds of explosives daily, or hundreds of thousands displaced from their homes for fear of their lives.

  4. ak says:

    see article in Jerusalem post http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1154525791639&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
    may we merit heavenly protection for our brethren in Israel.

  5. Menachem Petrushka says:

    Dear Rabbi Menken

    You wrote that in 5762 the situation was far less serious and that vacation had already started. Why, then, did Rav Ovadia Yosef cancel ben hazmanim(vacation) that Nissan 2002 for the Sephardi yeshivas? Rabbi Rosenblum, himself, in a column in the summer of 5762(2002) in JPOST.com suggested that insisting on going on vacations that Nissan was not the wisest course of action.

    Secondly, Jpost.com reports that Rav Yosef was the first Rosh Yeshiva this time to cancel ben hazmanim vacations yet there is no mention of his Kol Koreh(announcement to that effect) in Rabbi Rosenblum’s posting?

  6. Yaakov Menken says:

    Did I say that the situation in 5762 wasn\’t serious? I don\’t imagine that Rav Yosef would disagree that the current situation is more serious.

    Rabbi Aryeh L. Steinman, according to the Jerusalem Post, didn\’t want to cancel ben hazmanim this time, either: \”[Rav] Steinman cited the Yom Kippur War as proof. He said that the vacation after Yom Kippur was cancelled due to the war. But yeshiva students ended up not learning as much as they normally do and the cancelled vacation also hurt learning afterwards.\”

    You asked what changed their minds — I said that without question, this situation cannot be compared even to the height of the second Intifada. That remains true. Rav Steinman presented why this isn\’t a decision to be made lightly — so I think you have the answer to your question.

  7. Menachem Petrushka says:

    Dear Rabbi Menken

    I do not dare question a gadol’s thinking vs a vs Torah study or any other halachic matter. I will admit I am closer to the secular person’s way of thought than that of a Ben Torah. Therefore I feel free to voice whatI think is the thoughts of the aveage non-Charedi Israeli.

    The charedim claim they serve in Israel’s defense by learning Torah which is the true sheild of Israel. To most non-charedi Israelis, the charedim put a lie to the above when they take or even talk of taking a vacation from Torah Study during a crisis when people are being blown up and soldiers are being killed. Either the Charedim do no beleive in what the preach or are concerned only about themselves. They are not fighting, they do not by and large live in the north and the core of ashkenazi charedim were miracuously spared suciide bombings until Av of 2002.

  8. Yaakov Menken says:

    Until Av of 2002? I am unaware of any numbers that suggest a difference between charedim and the rest of the population concerning when things happened. Axe-grinding aside, you have presented no reason why — when the result of a well-earned vacation is better Pesach preparation and better preparation for the next session of learning — the yeshivos should not have taken a break. At this time, however, there is substantial feeling that they can take a break when the danger has passed — they are needed now.

  9. Dan says:

    All along we see those referred to as gadolim sitting in government, supporting the far leftist government who hate Torah, who openly give our heritage away to our enemies by throwing Jews off The Land. Its one thing to pray to Hashem, its quite another for these gadolim to be men, to stand up for Hashems Torah, Hashems Land – our heritage. When can we expect to finally, finally see these gadolim act as men, as men defeding our heritage, working against these far lefties who work to destroy so much, when ???? There is a time for all things, a time to be born, a time to die, even a time to act as men and go to war, nu already, nu !!!! The enemy is also inside The Land, not only attacking from without, look to the far left, see for yourselves.

  10. Steve Brizel says:

    Just curious-anyone see an article in Haaretz and the views of R Elyashiv re the US and presumably the EU? Doesn’t anyone realize that the US has given Olmert a green light ?

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