Open Orthodoxy Update, Parshas Ki Savo

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13 Responses

  1. Lacosta says:

    The unfortunate thing about these lemmings racing forward thru the ‘bridge out’ warning is the thousands of like minded Jews they will take down with them. I fear the only treatment for this virulent cancer will ultimately be to dismember so called ‘open orthodoxy’ from the corpus of yahadus, because the theology of these people is so malignant that only a very wide margin of resection ( plus hi dose chemo and radiation) has a chance of saving the rest of the Torah world from this malignant zeitgeist carcinoma….

  2. Bob Miller says:

    Lacosta, What do you think is causing Jews to follow them at all? Are people unable/unwilling to process information critically, or are they moved by emotion only?

  3. mavin says:

    Excellent comment,Lacoste. These so-called rabbis are no rabbis but are erev rav who are at war with the Ribbono Shel Olom and His Holy Torah that He gave to us, his children, the real JEWS.
    These ‘rabbis’ and their movement are a bunch of sick puppies and they together with the rest of their cohorts concocted a scheme wherein they call themselves ‘orthodox’, so they can live and promote their lifestyle while trying to dupe Jews ignorant of any Yiddishkeit, that all this is okay by the Creator, c’v. They will self-destruct.

  4. Steve Brizel says:

    R Gordimers linked article is must reading.

  5. Steve Brizel says:

    Yanklowitz, like many who share and support his views, reject criticism rooted in legitimate Torah sources as bullying — when in fact their views on Torah Halacha and what it means to be a Jew committed to Torah and Mitzvos cannot be reconciled with traditional Jewish views. They indulge in their views as to what it means to be Jewish to satisfy the contemporary Zeitgeist. There is a world of difference between legitimate criticism and bullying, as well as recognizing that voicing his or her opinion does not create immunity from legitimate criticism.

  6. Steve Brizel says:

    When someone in the course of a debate on any issue raises the claim of bullying look carefully. That IMO is akin to a snowflake claiming that he or she is entitled to a so called safe space immune from any real discussion as to the merits or lack thereof of the opinion voiced. IMO Yanklowitz and Co. can be fairly accused of refusing to allow for any legitimate critique of their views despite rhe fact that the same cannot be rationalized as being within the normative boundaries of halacha and hashkafa. No amount of claims of bullying ala a snowflakes can change that fact.

  7. lacosta says:

    to bob miller—
    we know that even in the haredi community [as well ] there are emuna issues ie people going thru the motions without fundamentals of emuna or even as non -believers. but the haredi society [especially hassidic ] is much harder to leave from. in MO , let’s assume middle of road parents and children will gravitate weaker. since there us no media filtration , the young generation is totally saturated with culture AND PC values. thus, anything sex related is muttar and gays are so nice how can you be against them. you start with weak on halacha and add in following goyish hashkafa and you aren’t left with much…. LWMO is giving them everything they see around them and therefore already believe….
    no data, just gut feeling

  8. Bob Miller says:

    These days, the real bullying takes place when radicals try to shout down and suppress all traditional voices in all situations. Anyone who has seen radicals in action or tried to reason with them knows what I mean. This clique can call itself orthodox, open, or whatever, but its playbook is from the Left.

  9. dave says:

    Interesting article by R. Gordimer where he says that Yanklowitz who was born not Jewish refuses to name the Bais Din that converted him. Correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t that make him halachically not Jewish?

  10. Bob Miller says:

    Now that this problem is so clear, it should prompt mainstream MO to reconsider the permissible degree of cultural and academic engagement with today’s general society. General society is not static.

  11. Chava Rubin says:

    In my opinion, Shmully Yanklowitz sounds like a white version of Al Sharpton.

  12. Dr bill says:

    Allowing comments like ms. Rubin’s above is more informative than the article itself. It reveals a great deal about your perspective.

    • Yaakov Menken says:

      Perhaps you should ask what she meant. If she meant he’s a racist, that would obviously not be sustained. But if she is asserting that he is an ignorant blowhard who is damaging the social fabric (or, in this case, the religious fabric of the Jewish community), you would have to argue on point.

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