A Belated Look at the Klal Perspectives Shabbaton

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  1. lacosta says:

    are baltimore haredi yidden less economically burdened than those elsewhere?

    [YA – I can hardly claim expertise after one weekend there, but judging from the conversations laden with concern, I would guess not. It looks like the same rat race, with a slightly different model of treadmill. Housing costs may be lower than, say, the Five Towns, but income will then tend to be lower. While tuitions might not be in the 25-30K per child range, people still have more kids than they can handle full tuitions (or even tuition-assistance) for.]

  2. Alexandra Fleksher says:

    My husband was privileged to spend quite a few years in Rabbi Hauer’s chaburah where his outlook on community involvement was molded and forever changed, not just due to Rabbi Hauer’s philosophy and “technique”, but because of who Rabbi Hauer is as a person and a role model. Now that we’re a few years out, I’ve come to wonder about how frum women can be more involved in  the communal scene. We too are working out the difficulties in balancing multiple roles as breadwinners, wives, and parents. Any suggestions (besides writing for Klal Perspectives) on how to foster this same sense of achrayus and interest in having a voice in communal matters among young women? To encourage those who have leadership leanings to find a way to join the conversation? Is it possible in our world? Additionally, what types of forums are appropriate  and available for women to voice their valuable contributions? (I couldn’t help but notice the unintended irony in your beautiful, very feminine graphic.)

    [YA – My humble suggestion is that for many, achrayus and communal responsibiity are acquired tastes. They need to be cultivated by someone as on-the-mark as R Hauer. I don’t know why the same technique could not be used with groups of young women – other than the increased hardship of getting women already overburdened with profession and family to get together once a week – led by a dynamic woman, for the same kind of discussion that R Hauer leads. I don’t think this assertion requires any evidence, but if it did, I would point to the success last summer of the Tikvah program for Orthodox Women led by Miriam Kosman.]

    • Alexandra Fleksher says:

      I am eagerly awaiting “A Belated Look at the Tikvah program for Orthodox Women.” My FOMO for both that program and the Klal Perspectives Shabbos would then finally have some closure!

      [YA – The analysis of the Tikvah Women’s program would be better coming from Miriam Kosman, don’t you think? FOMO uncalled for. All you have to do is ignite some enthusiasm in your own community, and you too can host a Klal Perspectives shabbaton!]

  3. Daniel Weltman says:

    <i>I have to guess the reaction of a sometimes unpredictable “street”, and find myself looking out at minefields ahead without a chance to blink. The upshot, I claimed, was that both of us are burdened, like so many others in our community, with imposing muzzles, and rarely get to speak with complete candor. I have more license than he does – but not much more.</i>

    Rabbi Adlerstein, this is as depressing as it is unsurprising. I hope that you and Rabbi Rosenblum find fortitude to stand up to the “street” in משנה סוטה ז,ח:

    אגריפס המלך עמד וקיבל וקרא עומד, ושיבחוהו חכמים. וכשהגיע ללא תוכל לתת עליך איש נכרי אשר לא אחיך הוא, זלגו עיניו דמעות. אמרו לו, אל תתיירא אגריפס, אחינו אתה, אחינו אתה

    On this tragic episode of rabbinic flattery to the “street”, תוספתא סוטה ז, טז:

    [YA – I think you may be conflating different problems. This is not about humility, and not about flattery. The record will show that between Jonathan, myself, and some of our friends we have taken public and unpopular (with some) positions regarding abuse cover-ups, theft, racism, obscuring women’s faces, lack of general education, segulos, and withdrawal from general public concerns. The issue is recklessness vs. effectiveness. It is perhaps courageous to go down with six-guns blazing, but you can only do that once. Paying attention to the “street” and assessing what the market can bear is the only way to be able to engage one’s audience and continue to have some impact.]

    משום רבי נת אמרו, תנחייבו ישראל כליה שחינפו לאגריפס המלך

    And ירושלמי סוטה כב ע”א:

    הרבה חללים נפלו באותו היום, שהחניפו לו.

    The results of mistaken rabbinic humility (שמואל א טו:יז) can be devastating.

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