Upon the End of 25 Years of Deception

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12 Responses

  1. Yossie Abramson says:

    Robinson’s Arch is still the Western Wall, so why does W4W “allow” this? They should be fighting this as well.

  2. Raymond says:

    I do not think that the Women of the Wall are anything but exhibitionists hiding behind religion to achieve their self-centered goals. Thank G-d for groups like Woman For the Wall to combat all that disrespectful nonsense.

  3. joel rich says:

    WOW’s true mission, to “bring about change in the Orthodox world”
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    To an outside observer, how would one justify the strong opposition to such a mission while supporting kiruv outreach in secular communities?
    KT

  4. Ori Pomerantz says:

    Yossie, two reasons:

    1. Darchei Shalom. It may not be ideal, but neither is appearing intransigent.

    2. It is still part of the Herodian retaining wall. However, it isn’t a regular place of prayer. What makes the Wailing Wall worth fighting for is that it is used for prayer, overwhelmingly, by Orthodox Jews.

  5. Yaakov Menken says:

    Yossie,

    There are Reform Temples all over. Is there something particularly evil about them praying at the Western Wall? On the contrary, maybe it will inspire someone.

    Joel,

    The problem isn’t their attempt to do “Kiruv” but where and when they choose to do it. No Kiruv organization supports going into a Reform Temple while people are praying, to loudly demonstrate the right way to pray. The 25 years of deception refers to WOW telling the press and public that all they wanted to do was pray (while being set upon by those nasty charedim), while in reality they conducted loud, obnoxious demonstrations intended to get other women to change.

  6. Charles Hall says:

    “No Kiruv organization supports going into a Reform Temple while people are praying”

    I had my first encounter ever with an Orthodox rabbi in a Reform synagogue. Go where the Jews are.

  7. Tzippy says:

    Yossie Abramson, because it had never been part of the Tefillah area. NEVER. So it doesn’t have a din of “shul”.

  8. Susan says:

    NO place at the Wall is really any more/less a “regular place of prayer” than anywhere else. There was nothing keeping these women from paying at the original compromised spot, other than their desire to condescend to Orthodox women.

  9. Moshe Shimon says:

    W4W are truly our heroes (heroines), our front-line of defence against the cancer of deceit and the undermining of our mesora.

    May they go from strength to strength in their holy work.

  10. Reb Yid says:

    ““No Kiruv organization supports going into a Reform Temple while people are praying”

    I had my first encounter ever with an Orthodox rabbi in a Reform synagogue. Go where the Jews are.”

    And this apocryphal Orthodox rabbi was loudly protesting the Reform setting policy for Reform temples? I doubt it.

  11. Ben Waxman says:

    The problem is where and when they choose to do it? I seriously doubt that the righ wing Orthodox/Chareidi world will stand up for the rights of Bnei Akiva, Hillel (the Israeli version), Yesh Atid, or Kolech to set up a stand in the middle of Bnei Brak or Beitar.

  12. Jon Baker says:

    Lubavitch is at 770 Eastern Parkway because the 6th Rebbe wanted to set up shop across from the biggest Conservative synagogue in Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Jewish Center (started as an Orthodox synagogue by my great-grandfather in 1918). Go where the Jews are, exactly. In 1940, the Jews hadn’t yet moved to the suburbs.

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