Rav Elyashiv is afraid; we should be too.

You may also like...

15 Responses

  1. Ori says:

    True, the Supreme Leader may be a perfectly rational fellow, with little inclination for self-immmolation, but the question remains: Is that supposition, enough for Israel and the West to rely upon?

    Not to mention that Supreme Leaders are not immortal. Will the next one be perfectly rational, and the one after that? There’s a reason military intelligence tends to focus on capabilities rather than intentions.

  2. Eliezer says:

    “The report’s conclusion that economic sanctions are doomed to fail seems unduly pessimistic in light of Iran’s economic vulnerability, and prior to the implementation of any truly biting sanctions.”

    Isn’t it possible that the reason they are doomed to fail is because major powers like China and Russia will not back them (continuing to do major business with Iran).

    China and Russia have made clear that they would veto an Security Council resolution to impose economic sanctions on Iran.

  3. Jewish Observer says:

    Perhaps with oil now selling at below $50.00 US a barrel, Iran’s economy which I assume is largely dependent on oil exportation will suffer a significant drop in income causing at least a slow-down in its efforts to produce nuclear weapons. Also if the population experiences sufficient shortages of basic necessities, the regime may be toppled by a civil revolution. HaShem will protect Israel-we have His word.

  4. Ori says:

    Jewish Observer: HaShem will protect Israel-we have His word.

    Ori: Halevay. But when did HaShem promise to protect the land of Israel or the Jews living in it? AFAIK, there hasn’t been any sane prophets since about 70 to tell us about such a promise. It probably was not in effect during the Bar Kochva rebellion.

  5. Leah says:

    Excellent article. Iran has had 30% inflation rate now for a while. The poor of Achmajinadad’s country suffer exceedingly because he will not release financial aid to his country folk from the oil revenues. The middleclss are now being taxed heavier because Achmajinadad still will not admit to his irresponsibility with the fiscal budget and correct it . Achmajinadad comes up for potential re-election in June.
    The last time that Rice or anyone from the American side sat down with Iran at the sanctions table was approximately in September. Ok, so now we hear reports that while Obama sets up his cabinet and policies,the Iran sanctions slash nuclear issue “may” be put off til June of 2009?!
    If every 2 months approximately 1000 or slightly fewer centrifuges are built, then what will a 10 month lull in sanctions bring?
    I think, however as speculation arises that the issue will be brought up more quickly via Israel. Achmajinadad is focused on his high priority of setting up nuclear fissile material. His tunnel vision is what scares me – not his country’s economic condition. I don’t think he cares about his country-truly.

  6. lacosta says:

    i am a little surprised the Gadol Haolam is afraid the RBSO has a Holocaust in mind…. Hityatzvu ureu et yeshuat Hashem,,,

  7. Natan Slifkin says:

    These fears of Rav Elyashiv are much more reality-based than the assurance that you posted a while back, in the name of an unnamed Rav, that Hashem won’t allow it to happen (I still don’t understand how anyone can be so sure of what Hashem will and will not do).

  8. Bob Miller says:

    Bosses are not happy with subordinates who keep bringing problems to their attention without suggested solutions. Journalists with a background and credentials like R’ Rosenblum also owe their readers some positive things to do, even when a comprehensive solution is elusive. Simply giving us new reasons be scared stiff won’t do.

    For starters, let’s hear what the Gedolim now expect of us in this situation.

  9. Ori says:

    Bob Miller, the difference is that bosses often have the power to implement solutions. Readers do not.

    In any case, here are some solutions, worth everything you paid for them.

    For the Israeli government:

    1. Disrupt the Iranian atomic program, if it is within Israel’s power. Preferably do this before January 20th, while they can still count on US co-operation, at least at the level of letting Israeli bombers fly through Iraqi air space. Given Israeli inaction so far, it’s quite likely Israel cannot disrupt the Iranian atomic program.

    2. Send diplomatic messages to the US and the EU, explaining the exact extent of the damage to the world’s oil supply in the aftermath of a successful nuclear strike on Israel. Such messages are probably already on file.

    For Israeli residents:

    1. Tshuvah, Tfilah, and Tzdakah (for non Jewish readers, “return to G-d, prayer, and charity” – the way to remove evil decrees).

    2. The classical Jewish solution: Don’t be there. If you truly think Iran is close to nuclear weapons, don’t sit on the bull’s eye.

    What do you expect Jonathan Rosenblum to say? #1 is obvious to everybody who reads Yated. #2 is probably against Yated’s editorial policy and might be against Halacha. Besides, many readers of Yated lack the job skills to legally immigrate anywhere else. Full time Torah study does not look impressive to most gentile immigration services.

  10. dovid says:

    Don’t be there? Would you suggest that Rav Elyashiv settle in San Antonio, TX? Ori, what would you have advised us in the 15th century Europe? To convert? BTW, Ramban holds that ishuv EY is a Torah commandment. He himself lived there. And it wasn’t easy in his time either. It was also dangerous. True that not everyone holds like the Ramban. Either way, EY is ours for keeps. We must find other ways to keep it. By deserving it.

  11. Ori says:

    Dovid: Ori, what would you have advised us in the 15th century Europe? To convert?

    Ori: No, to leave. Which is exactly what many Spanish Jews, for example, did. Their descendants are today Sephardi Jews. The Jews who stayed in Spain might have managed to observe some Mitzvot in secret, but within a few generations their descendants were Catholic.

    My point was that Jonathan Rosenblum can’t make good suggestions. His readers, for the most part, are not in a position to influence anything by natural means. The only suggestion he could make it Tshuvah, Tfilah, and Tzdakah, which his readers already know about.

    Dovid: Either way, EY is ours for keeps. We must find other ways to keep it. By deserving it.

    Ori: I hope you’re right and that it will work out.

  12. dovid says:

    “…Jonathan Rosenblum can’t make good suggestions.” That’s called shooting the messenger, Ori.

    I will tell you something you sure know. You, I, and Ahmednijad cannot take a breath with Hashem willing it. That being the case, why should we be afraid of this Ahmed fellow? We should be concerned that Hashem is not pleased with us. You are writing that people already know about Tshuvah, Tfilah, and Tzdakah. Maybe, but few practice it. To most of us, these words enter our minds only one day a year, if at all. There is an entire volume in the Talmud, meseches Taanis, that deals with what Jews should do in times of tzaar. The thrust of our service is not fasting and blowing the shofar, but Tshuvah, Tfilah, and Tzdakah. It worked in the time of Mordechai and Esther when we faced the same danger, from the same players. It will work today as well. We should stop regarding Megillas Esther as a cute story of little relevance today but rather should study it and apply its conclusions because that’s the only thing that could save us. The problem is not Eretz Yisrael. The problem rests with us. Rav Moshe Feinstein said in a different context that wherever we go, we take ourselves with us, i.e, without fixing what’s broken we are doomed to repeat our failures in the new place. So Ori, let’s put our right foot forward and start asking what Hashem wants from us. There are qualified people who can direct us to the right answers. Abandoning EY is not the option.

  13. Garnel Ironheart says:

    One way to reduce the fear people are saying is to remember that we have been addressing this situation for YEARS now. Go back 5 years and read the papers. Same headlines about imminent dangers. Go back to June 4 1967 if you want and read the headlines – Israel in imminent danger of destuction.

    Calm down. History rarely proceeds in such a straight and simple fashion.

    The second way to reduce fear is to remember that no megalomaniac acts in isolation from world reaction. Vlad Putin discovered this after he invaded Georgia and had to watch as his economy crashed when international investors pulled all their money out of his stock market. If even mighty Russia has to care a wee bit about the rest of the world, what about Iran?

    Remember a short while ago North Korea supposedly detonated a nuclear device and was imminently going to test fire a nuclear misscle over Taiwan? Why didn’t it happen? Because China, the major supporter of the Kim regime, knows that a North Korean nuclear strike, or even a near miss attempt, will invite retaliation from the US and that means millions of malnourished North Koreans swarming across the border into China. For all their talk of love and brotherhood, they don’t actually want that to happen. And ever since we came “that close” to a nuclear incident, has anything other than air-filled threats come out of Pyongyang?

    Iran is, for all its bluster, still a client state of Russia which, through its own deomgraphic screw-ups, is very sensitive to any unwanted addition to its Muslim population. An Iranian strike on Israel (chas v’chalilah) that invites a large-scale retaliation will result in millions of Iranian refugees heading north into the ‘Stans which will destabilize the Russian border. And the Russians don’t want that. So nothing will come of Iran since the man with the hand on the trigger doesn’t have the authority to pull the trigger in the first place.

  14. Bob Miller says:

    Garnel Ironheart,

    You’re assuming that the Iranian (whichever one) with his hand on the trigger will act in a rational way. Is there some precedent for that among Iran’s Shiite revolutionary leaders?

  15. anonymous says:

    Yes, I hear you Bob Miller on coment#14. I really honestly think that the Worlds’ democratic powers must act- before it is too late. Being that the Jew is responsible for what does take precedent in the world, teshuvah, g’milut chessedim and torah study must be increased.

Pin It on Pinterest