Chevron Yeshiva Plots Takeover of Israel Supreme Court; Bagatz Strikes Back

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8 Responses

  1. Nachum says:

    When you say “we do not eat” matzah ashira, you are of course referring to Ashkenazim. Most people in Israel aren’t Ashkenazi, and so have no problem eating it.

  2. Maybe Salim Joubran could be a maggid shiur at next year’s Tikvah program for Yeshivaleit…

  3. Reb Yid says:

    Thank you for the interesting article.

    I was wondering about the halachic issues involved in the bochurim having taught Mr. Joubran gemara.

    I would also like to over-analyze the chocolate covered matza issue: 1. chocolate covered regular matza has been commercially available for a number of years now (Barton’s crackers, Yehuda, etc.), although perhaps not at the time that Mr. Joubran was attending sedorim. 2. He may have attended Sephardic sedorim, and Sephardim do eat egg matzo. 3. The choco-matzo may have been homemade. 4. It may have been for young children at the seder, who are allowed to eat egg matzo. 5. It may have been for Mr. Joubran, who is allowed to eat egg matzo.

  4. Charlie Hall says:

    The Shulchan Aruch permits kitniyot on Pesach. It is the Rema that brings down the Askenazic minhag not to eat kitniyot on Pesach. Chodesh tov! 😉

    [YA – One of the habits of us strange Ashkenazim is that we colloquially refer to both parts – the Shulchan and the Mapah – as Shulchan Aruch, having in mind that the bottom line is the conclusion of the Ramo. So in the lingua franca of the Ashkenazi street, yes, Shulchan Aruch does prohibit kitniyos. This habit of ours may seem irksome to some, on the same plane as the habit of some others to refer to the author of the other part of Shulchan Aruch as THE Mechaber. Happy Geulah!]

    • mb says:

      Actually, Charlie, the SA does discuss communities that do not eat kitnyot (I assume the Moroccans that don’t eat rice, but maybe others, and maybe he was aware of the Ashnenazi customs?) and concludes that kitnyot are batel b’rov.

      R.Adlerstein, did you get the answer to my question re batal b’rov?

      [YA – I did, and you won’t like the answer. For starters, look at Shulchan Aruch Harav in תפד regarding mustard seed]

  5. R.B. says:

    Here is the “teshuvah” by the Conservative Rabbinical Assembly permitting kitniyot to Ashkenazim:

    http://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/sites/default/files/public/halakhah/teshuvot/2011-2020/Levin-Reisner-Kitniyot.pdf

    I wonder how many Conservatives Jews who are Ashkenazim would not eat kitniyos before this came out, and also how many Conservative laity will actually read this.

  6. Mark says:

    It’s hard to gainsay politics, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that, from the perspective of the laws and values a Jewish State’s high court ought to espouse and enforce, the Hon. Salim Joubran is the pickle swimming around in the curdled milk. Israel’s Supreme Court proudly stands as the bleak, rough-hewn breaker against which all national waves of Aleinu and Al Kein Nekaveh must crash, and its progressively more aggressive adjudication of blatantly religious affairs is an outrage.

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