Haredim and Homophobia

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6 Responses

  1. Dovid Kornreich says:

    For one thing, murder is not a haredi thing,

    But violence is. And it applies to anti-gay parade demonstrations. So why the distinction?

    The contemporary world has degraded the very definition of humanity by urging upon us fulfillment in the form of submission to every desire.

    But just before that you acknowledged that the contemporary world looks condemns pedophilia and adultery. Why so general?

  2. Jonathan Rosenblum says:

    Have a break in the action, so I’ll take a stab at David’s questions. It would be a stretch to say that the contemporary world condemns adultery. It’s condemnation is very erratic and situational. Princeton ethicist Peter Singer also condones bestiality, though I’m not clear how he has solved the consent issue. Pedophilia is still, for the most part, condemned, probably because of the consent issue.

    Not too many chareidim with guns, or used to shooting them. What’s so hard about that. The distinction is sociological not logical. And I made clear that there is not record of chareidim seeking out homosexuals to attack them in private settings. Gay parades are different. Again the distinction is sociological.

  3. Charles B. Hall says:

    The Spitzer study mentioned was a retrospective study, subject to many potential biases that could cast doubt on the results. What would be needed to show the efficacy of such treatment would be a properly designed randomized intervention study with a sufficiently large sample size drawn from a population from which results could be generalized. AFAIK there has not been such a study. (If anyone knows of one, please cite.)

  4. Dovid Kornreich says:

    Thank you for your response.
    You said:
    “It would be a stretch to say that the contemporary world condemns adultery.

    So we’re both wrong. adultery it’s neither condemned NOR urged.
    But you seem agree that pedophilia is still condemned. So that criticism stands.

    “Not too many chareidim with guns, or used to shooting them.

    I thought many chareidim in fact go to the army. Especially the sefardic ones who were singled out for suspicion here.

    “And I made clear that there is not record of chareidim seeking out homosexuals to attack them in private settings. Gay parades are different.

    You’re right. I missed that line.

  5. cvmay says:

    Media is usually looking for a story that will SELL, the weirder & nuttier the story the better the ratings are. There have been some very strange oddity events happening in our community over the last year. It is our responsibility to man a better PR system and shout from the rooftops about the ‘Chicken Lady’, ‘Chai Lifeline’, ‘Zichron Menechem’, ‘Yad Sarah’ and the Young Island Chesed Program for Gush Katif (among others).

    “Haredim think that the media shows a persistent and blatant bias in its coverage of the community”, That is true!!!! Yet don’t we as journalists, newspaper writers, speakers ALWAYS look to broadcast our stories of Charedim who are remarkable people. How many times do we write a story focusing on the other….and their goodness, kindness, generosity, etc.????

  6. One Christian's perspective says:

    “Homosexual activists have not yet resorted to the threat of murderous violence against those who challenge their views, but they can get pretty nasty.”

    A Christian friend of mine was not promoted to a higher position of management within a company where she was already a proven manager with consistently higher than norm profits within that company and was asked to apply for this position. In the interview process, some, knowing she was a Christian, asked her about her views on homosexual acts. She already knew some of the interviewers and workers in the company were homosexual by their own admission. She could not lie and she did not want to deny her belief that G-d’s Word is the truth. She realized she was in a no win situation but she spoke what she believed in her heart and said in the past, she did not make management decisions against others based on their life choices but rather only on their performance on the job. Her record supported her statements.

    She did not get the position and left the company shortly thereafter.

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