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  1. Bob Miller says:

    Archimedes studied this design, too:
    http://home.hccnet.nl/jc.kuiper/archimedes/archim07.htm

  2. LOberstein says:

    I agree with everything Avi Shafran wrote. There is a major misunderstanding, many in the Religious Zionist camp believe that the Agudah is “anti-zionist”. The facts are that Agudah type people are percapita among the biggest visitors to Israel, many (most) have children learning and living there. One reason that secular zionism succeeded in the past was that the love for Zion was in their hearts from their religious ancestors. Therefore they said no to Uganda.
    Reciting the prayer for the Medina is often used as a litmus test to determine if one cares about the survival of Israel and its people.In truth, it is a red herring used to deligitimize true Zionists. I just was reading about the escape of the Belzer Rebbe , he got a certificate to enter Mandate Palestine on a short list of “veteran zionists”. Who is more of a zionist than he was, though he had nothing to do with political zionism or pre-messianic speculation. Today secular zionism is having a hard time but Agudah zionism is flourishing. So, in the end, who loves Israel, those who care only for a state like any other state or those who believe in its sanctity?

  3. dr. william gewirtz says:

    It is providence that blows up terrorists and whatever that blows up a kallah and her saintly father. It may or may not be the literal interpretation, but apply the words of the prophet (Isaiah 55:8) seriously and leave this type of homelitics to a more appropriate forum.

    Our reaction to both tragedy and (miraculous) success is not claim to comprehend or deign to explain why or even just express gratitude. But, we are obligated to understand how we must act in response. Kol Dodi Dofek – fresh and stirring 51 years later.

  4. Jewish Observer says:

    ” The true key to Israel’s security, as unrecognized as it may be to some, has been hiding in plain sight since the Jewish State’s founding, fluttering in the wind ”

    – obviously if you believe in G-d the we we do, you must hold that He has awarenes of and stake in eveything. That is a core tenet of our belief. Surely it is also true that there are derech hateva factors and imperatives. Every parent with kids (especially dughters) in shidduchim know they have to put in their hishtadlus to get hem married iff, even though HK”BH is obvisouly the supreme mezaveg zivugimit. This does not mean that a parent’s hishtadlus is not also “key”, it is just operating at a different level. Reminds me of the apocraphyl Telzer chakirah about whether it is the sugar or the stirring that makes the tea sweet.

  5. sima ir kodesh says:

    Almost always in agreement with Mr. Loberstein.
    Just one question: Don’t we all agree that we are in the era of “pre-mosiach”? Is that not what our duty is? “tzipiti legeulah” – were you looking forward to the geulah on a daily basis will be one of the heavenly questions asked of us… The saintly Chofetz Chaim heard the footsteps of the Moshiach treading…why don’t we?? OR are you not a fan of Torat Harav Kook.

  6. sima ir kodesh says:

    Almost always in agreement with Mr. Loberstein.
    Just one question: Don’t we all agree that we are in the era of “pre-mosiach”? Is that not what our duty is? “tzipiti legeulah” – were you looking forward to the geulah on a daily basis will be one of the heavenly questions asked of us… The saintly Chofetz Chaim heard the footsteps of the Moshiach treading…why don’t we?? OR are you not a fan of Torat Harav Kook.

  7. la costa says:

    1— i wait to see an aguda publication saying they are ‘zionist’. like the supreme court and shmutz, we know what we are referring to when using that word.

    2– look at the mosdos, gdolim, daas tora etc that aguda zionists and non-zionists turn to. they are parrallel worlds [often in ignorance/denial of the existance/legitimacy of the other]

    3– that being said, the premise is true. if one sits in kollel in israel for 1-20 yr, one is less likely to leave. however most will not have to bear many of the burdens of the State– army, making a living etc…in fact one will be living there through the largesse of Others, who, while denying their modus vivendi, nevertheless are forced to foot the bill , in many cases….

  8. Jason Berg says:

    The Mogen David showed me something special that perhaps others have noticed. Like any pattern, you must look at it in several ways. Seeing two triangles is, perhaps, the most obvious – Heaven above and Earth below. Seeing six points, all different directions as expressed in the posting, becomes a bit more challenging. The next step is to look deeper and see that there are actually six triangles surrounding a hexagon. What’s interesting is that if you count all the sides of the six triangles, you achieve Chai (6 triangles * 3 sides each = 18) Thus, we see that Hashem not only encompasses unity in all directions but is, in fact, the sustainer of all life.

  9. LOberstein says:

    Glad that 2 people noticed that I was alive. I guess people who write combatively get more attention, but let them have it. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the yshiva and chassidic ideas about Zionism. Perhaps one way to explain it is that they believe that the secular zionists took the term “zionists” but deleted its original meaning. Zionism means that Eretz Yisroel is holy, that a sin in Israel is worse than a sin in the exile. Secular zionism was originally less socialist and athiest, e.g. chovvei zion. It is not the love for Israel that they condemned but the anti-religious nature of zionism which was a desire to expunge religion from Jewish identity. Mizrachi was not messianic in its earlier days.Rabbi Mohilever and Rabbi Reines felt that that the holy land would be the best refuge for the Jews, but it was only when the Mercaz Harav philosophy of Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook took over that religious zionism became militantly settler dominated to the exclusionof its original goals to put some Judaism into the Jewish State. That being said, every Jew is a zionist, just not all subscribe to its modern transformation. Neturei Karta are a bunch of lunatics.

  10. LOberstein says:

    Do you know that david Ben Gurion only attended a synagogue service in Israel one time/ It was the Friday night when independance was declared and Moshe Chaim Shapira head of the Mizrachi told him “Dovid, at least tonight you have to come with me to shul” and he did.Golda Meir attended Yom Kippur services in Moscow but not in Israel. Eshkol loved to tell shtetle stories but he didn’t go to shul. To do so would have been to betray their socialism. You can admire them for their good qualities but they caused a lot of Sephardim to lose them religious identity and forcibly sent Holocaust surviver children from religious homes to anti religious kibbutzim and told them that in Israel one no longer keeps the Torah. If you knew the truth of secular zionism, you would understand that those who have animosity to the above named people do so for a reason.
    A Jewish child in America who goes to Sunday School might know more about the Jewish religion than many secular Israeli children in 2007. Isn’t a tragedy that they don’t even know what Shema Yisroel is?

    My zionist credentials are that I have 5 childen there at present and 8 grandchildren. A lot of ‘zionists” talk a good game . The frummies really do go more often , buy apartments, etc. I love everybody, Agudah ,Mizrachi, etc. These intramural debates dont effect our basic belief that all Jews are one family.

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