A Heretic in the Church – I

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7 Responses

  1. Bob Miller says:

    This is a plot to implicate women in the poor policy-making that will follow.

  2. Larry Lennhoff says:

    What ferverently Orthodox man would consent to be a part of such discussions if
    a) women were present
    b) non-Orthodox Rabbis were present
    c) religious topics were discussed?

    The MO at least can handle the first two restrictions, but the third is a stumbling block even for them, at least so long as they continue to hold by the Rav’s rulings. And what kind of strategic policy planning for Jews could conceivably neglect religious issues?

    If you take pluralism to require that a secular Jewish organization ban women and non-Orthodox rabbis from their meetings so as to make Orthodox inclusion possible I have to say you are implementing a different defintion of that word from how it is normally used.

  3. Ori Pomerantz says:

    As you said, “everything goes, everybody’s right” pluralism makes no sense. The pluralism for most Heterodox Jews does not Jews for Jesus or Jews for Allah (http://www.jews-for-allah.org). It also does not include Orthodox Jews.

    At the risk of making a sweeping generalization, I think that the common factor is that all those groups have strong beliefs about what Heterodox Jews should do differently. For most Heterodox Jews, pluralism stops at that border, people who tells us we should act differently than we do.

    Maybe the term “pluralism” is inappropriate, and Heterodoxy should adopt a different term. But putting the border of acceptable at that point does make sense.

  4. Steve Brizel says:

    Perhaps, if the O followed the example of R Herman Neuberger ZTL and participated in the UJV without conceding to the validity of non Torah perspectives, the above column would be unnecessary.

  5. irving says:

    Orthodox are not there because they don’t evince the skills necessary to work within the parameters of collectivity.

  6. Toby Katz says:

    The paucity of women at these meetings is easily explained by the limited plasticity of human nature.

    Women — by their own choice — seldom go for the kind of high-powered, aggressive and super-competitive careers that produce the major big bucks.

    Without that $$$ you can’t be a major player in the non-O Jewish world today.

    I don’t think there are too many Reform and Conservative rabbis among the “leaders of major Jewish organizations.” The presidents of all the major non-O organizations are surely wealthy businessmen, no?

    There are plenty of R and C lady rabbis because that’s a sweet, soft, non-competitive kind of job. But who has the real power in these organizations? Not the rabbis.

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    and BTW

    Don’t ask these guys to include more of the “strongly Orthodox.” Most strongly Orthodox Jews totally reject pluralism and do not WANT to be included in these non-Torah and anti-Torah conclaves.

  7. Ahron says:

    I am still trying to absorb the awesome hubris of a self-appointed “Jewish People Policy Planning Institute”. Hmmmm….. their chairman is former US Amb. Dennis Ross. Their latest meeting featured Henry Kissinger. Well really, who wouldn’t want State Department bureaucrats with a record of failed and harmful Israel policies to now grab hold of all “policy” for Am Yisrael ? Surely they only have our best interests at heart….right?

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