Mel Gibson’s Toughest Role

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14 Responses

  1. Ezra says:

    Very well done.

  2. HILLEL says:

    “BeYoDua SheEsav Sonei es YaaKov.”–Anti-Semitism, latent or overt is a common condition in Golus.

    So, why are we making such a big deal about this drunken outburst of latent anti-semitic feelings. Mel Gibson never laid a hand on anybody.

    I think that we are annoying a tremendous number of people who admire Mel Gibson for his religious and conservative views.

    We are pushing our luck by beating this entertainment icon over the head, especially after he asked for forgiveness–What’s he supposed to do, fall on his knees and kiss our feet?

    If we continue to take our marching orders from the likes of ADL’s Abraham Foxman, we will soon find that we are Personna Non-Grata in America, c’v!

  3. Yirmeyahu says:

    I’ll believe his apology when he says it under the influence.

    But I think beating him up about it would be as counterproductive as the protest about that movie of his.

  4. Yisroel Koznitzer says:

    With a war on, a savage hate crime in Seattle and Tisha Be-Av, the rantings of one addled, pampered actor seem insignificant. The interesting thing will be what figures line up to provide exoneration and redemption, fee unknown. Surely there will be no lack of demagogues presenting themselves for that unseemly job.

  5. kar says:

    Yiten l’makeyhu lechi yisba b’cherpa.

    I think it’s important to point out that gibson obviously is antisemitic, that the movie drew on the writings of a nun and not just the NT, and that he denies the scale of the Holocaust.

    Beyond that, I think we should shrug, accept his apology and move on. Hollywood figures are not that important.

    We should be grateful that in the US, such statements are unacceptable, and he’s hurt himself.

    We don’t need people saying that Jewish Hollywood ruins the career of anyone who ever offends.

    I don’t think we should be lecturing or touting the Jewish view of repentance. There is such a thing as overreaching.

  6. Nachum Lamm says:

    Hmm. R’ Adlerstein’s employer, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, is notorious for giving out “hechsherim” to prominent entertainment figures with shady pasts- for a tidy sum, of course. It happened with Arnold Schwarzenegger; with this post, I see it happening to Mel Gibson.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less about Gibson, considering that Jews are actually being killed elsewhere in the world- one just two states over.

  7. EV says:

    Nachum–Arnie has a “shady past”? What has Arnie (Arnie himself, the sins of his father don’t count unless Arnie’s demonstrated a history of accepting these as his own) done wrong vis-a-vis Jews? I am ignorant in this regard. Since you invoke the plural, name another “prominent entertainment figure with a shady past” who has paid the Smon Wiesenthal Center for “a hechsher”?

  8. Nachum says:

    Schwarzenegger does not have a shady past, which makes the fact that he had to pay millions to the Center to clear his father even worse.

  9. Bob Miller says:

    Since when does it fall on us to nurse Mel Gibson back to sobriety, sanity, or sensitivity? It’s enough that, after his arrest episode, he will now think twice before dissing us in public.

    Considering how much of the Eastern and Western world is now expressing antisemitism through violence, I would say that the Simon Wiesenthal Center has more urgent things to do than re-engineering Mel Gibson.

  10. Eliyahu says:

    Nachum, essentially you accused R’ Adlerstein of corruption/taking a bribe. To back up that serious charge you referred to one example (Scharzeneger), which by your own later admission wasn’t even true (according to you he does not have a shady past). I don’t at all get the logic of “the fact that he had to pay millions ..” makes it even worse. Scharzenger wanted to show that he did not in fact have a shady past, and is not following in his father’s footsteps and did it by donating money to the institution which combats the kind of things that his father promoted. Sounds like pretty normal and may be even laudable behavior for a public figure. R’ Adlerstein post merely said that Gibson’s apology is a first step and he will have to back up his words with deeds. So even if your charge of bad past behavior was true, it is not applicable to this case. So either provide the evidence to back your statements up, or apologize.

  11. Nachum says:

    Eliyahu, you’ve made my case. But ten Israeli soldiers have been killed, and I don’t know why Mel Gibson deserves one more second of the Jewish people’s attention.

  12. EV says:

    Nachum asks “why Mel Gibson deserves one more second of the Jewish people’s attention.” Maybe, Nachum, because you need to hear how someone makes a proper t’shuvah when he has denigrated another, whether that other be an individual or a whole peoplehood. Gibson was actually able to make an explicit apology, and Rabbi Adlerstein is pointing the way to completing his t’shuvah. The best you can do in getting to step one in apologizing for having intimated the good rabbi has ulterior motives having to do with bribery is to say, “Eliyahu, you’ve made my case.”

    There are larger issues than Mel’s antisemitism being explored here in both the rabbi’s posting and in our comments. Can someone who has sinned like Gibson has be forgiven? What does someone who has denigrated someone else (nudge, nudge) have to do to receive forgiveness? How does t’shuvah among Jews work? This sounds like rabbinic territory to me. Read the article, Nachum.

  13. Steve Brizel says:

    Perhaps, instead of casting all sorts of conspiracy theories at the author, we might be all slightly more productive if we thought that Mr. Gibson’s well documented anti Semitism, anger management and alcoholism might be bettter “treated” within our own tradition of teshuvah which even accepted the teshuvah of Nevuzaradan as opposed to letting Mr Gibson be “cured” of his demons with the spa and press conference variety of Hollywood-style kaparah and taharah.

  14. Yisroel Koznitzer says:

    I believe that the Wiesenthal center offered absolution to MIchael Jackson after he recorded the perjorative “Jew me” in a song. Sadly, it did not stick.

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