Firestorm

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  1. Menachem Petrushka says:

    Dear Rabbi Menken

    Shira Schmidt did not go far enough. Academic conferences are small potatoes. It is the media that is most guilty of the sin of never letting Charedim be heard. The New York Times and the Jewish Week are prime examples of this. In their coverage of the Charedi issues, especailly when there is conflict with other communities involved, they will interview the opponents of the Charedim and so-called Charedi experts that tend to be biased against the Charedim but never the charedim themselves.

    That being said, your question about the firestorm is not hard to answer. Most people who spend their time on the internet sparring back and forth are a little “off”. I do not exlude myself from this description. People should have better things to do with their lives. Therefore the responses tend to be on the wierd side. the internet is not a debating society.

    Secondly, the wall that Charedi society, has built around itself to keep foreign influences out is not a one way mirror on the other side. It has effetively cut all human contact between the charedim and others. Contacts and networking which are so important in the media and academe are simply not there. This has allowed the enemies of the charedi world to demonize it. Shades of Shakespeare and Shylock.

    Thirdly, there was a study done concerning the most hated groups in Israeli society. The charedim were the second most hated group, not far below the Arabs. Why is this so. The Charedi answer has always been that it is the Rishus(evil) of the other groups that accounts for it and that that it and its leadership is in no significant way responsible. maybe it is time for re-evaluation of this theory

  2. Toby Katz says:

    I’m wondering what was said about chareidim at the conference, and I hope Shira Schmidt will report on that.

    Just a guess but could the fascination + hatred that secular Israelis evince towards chareidim stem from their uneasy awareness that they ALL had great-grandparents in Europe or North Africa who would have been considered chareidim by today’s standards? And that without generations of “chareidim” passing the torch from fathers to children, there would be no Jews around today?

    I’m putting “chareidim” in quotes because our ancestors — though they’d be called chareidim today — were not called chareidim way back when, but were just called — Jews.

  3. sarah elias says:

    You missed this gem: “Being anti-Haredi is being anti-religious-extremism – such extremism is simply extremism, and it is ALWAYS destructive. What do you all have to say about the sect of Haredi who believe less in Israel’s right to exist than the average Palestinian? Do all of you sincerely believe that doing little more than reading the bible does more for Jewish character than being the good neighbor and hard worker our deepest cultural roots have instilled in us?” Interesting to watch the bigots coming out from under the rocks.

  4. Bob Miller says:

    People, as we know, have to be taught to hate. Much alarm has been expressed about the anti-Jewish hate content of the Palestinian Arab school curriculum at all levels. It’s correctly understood that what is taught has consequences. Now is the time for a thorough review and overhaul of Israeli government-owned and government-funded secular school curricula at all levels, to make sure they present a fair view of Haredim, their outlook, and their accomplishments.

  5. T. F. says:

    This is yet another example of Jews trying to achieve “diversification of thought” through the window of their own political biases….
    To achieve diversity, one generally debates their current opinions and biases and targets the inconsistencies,
    and then searches for reason to believe that the iconsistency is generated by the system/ideology behind it….
    It seems that unfortunately, (especially with the ultra-orthodox)when a cohort which constantly seeks out
    ways to convey in physical/tangible terms that they are different and are not interested in taking part in regular society, opinions rooting from a feeling of inferiority (from regular jews) are developed, and are fueled by the incosistencies of behavior(led by the evil inclinations) on the part of the ultra-orthodox, and to debate such inconsistencies without a TRULY OPEN MIND will just generate more negativity with tolerant actions to justify. Howeverm n open mind will only happen with the true UNDERSTANDING towards all factions of jewish sociey, and then formulating an opinion.

    Off topic : http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=12867 (this article reminds me of this video…)
    [YM: Ok, I’m letting the video through. It’s G-rated (at least through the second minute), and if it’s very mildly offensive, one has to admit it is funny.]

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